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5th March 2009, 08:58 AM
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Reps: 36,118,043,289,617,512 (power: 36,118,043,289,622) | | Originally Posted by DeaconDean  A good question!
If you believe what dispensationalists teach, its easy, only the Pauline epistles apply. 
I listened to a Don Fortner sermon yesterday called "According to YOUR works" on the Day of Judgment. A powerful Spirit empowered message by the way. I dont think brother mlqurgw believes only Pauline writings apply 
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5th March 2009, 09:17 AM
|  | ἐγγηϊσταί ἔριν (Resident Trouble Maker)
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I know that too. Just poking at him.
God Bless
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5th March 2009, 05:23 PM
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5th March 2009, 10:04 PM
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Reps: 432,424,459,596,480,896 (power: 432,424,459,596,502) | | Here is another example of what I'm leading to: Originally Posted by John Crips The Holy Spirit and the Word
-The word SAVES. (Jn. 17:17; Acts 11:14; 1 Pet. 1:7-9)
-The soul is BEGOTTEN by the seed, which is the word of God. (1 Pet. 1:23)
-The word produces FAITH. (Rom. 10:17)
-The Holy Spirit did His work PERFECTLY and COMPLETELY when He guided the Apostles into all truth. (Jn. 16:13-16)
In mentioning the first tab, the word used here for word is rhema, not logos.
All thought the New Testment we are told that there is no salvation in any other name but Jesus. Jesus Christ saves, but, according to these men, it is the word (rhema).
The Bible tells us that man was made a living soul by God. And when we die, our soul goes either back to God who gave it, or hades to await judgment.
In Romans 10:17, it indeed does teach the faith cometh from hearing, and hearing from the word of God, but they also forget two important items. 1) Faith is a gift of the Holy Spirit (1 Cor. 12:9; Rom. 12:3); 2) In the Romans passage (Rom. 10:17) Paul is addressing believers, not unbelievers, Christians, not sinners.
And lastly, with the claim "the work of the Holy Spirit was done perfectly and completely when he guided the Apostles to all truth", they limit the work of the Holy Spirit in this world. Are we not the temples in which the Holy Spirit resides? And if He resides in us, then wouldn't He also lead us to all truth?
What does the word Apostle mean? Literally: One sent forth; a messenger. Specifically: One of the twelve disciples of Christ, specially chosen as his companions and witnesses, and sent forth to preach the gospel.
He called unto him his disciples, and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles. --Luke vi. 13.
Note: The title of apostle is also applied to others, who, though not of the number of the Twelve, yet were equal with them in office and dignity; as, "Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ." --1 Cor. i. 1. In --Heb. iii.
1, the name is given to Christ himself, as having been sent from heaven to publish the gospel. In the primitive church, other ministers were called apostles --(Rom. xvi. 7). Source
Also, in 2 Cor. 8:23 and Phil. 2:25 the word "messenger" is the rendering of the same Greek word, elsewhere rendered "apostle."
Are we not sent out into the world also? Wuld this not in a round about way, make us "apostles" "messengers" also? And since it would, would not the Holy Spirit led us to all truth also?
God Bless
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9th March 2009, 08:42 PM
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