It is our reasonable service to tell others about Christ and spread the message and give the good news. When we congregate together in the body of Christ (hoping we have done what we are called to do in scripture to be part of the body) we are asked to worship in a way that God have commanded.
__________________ 1 Corinthians 8:9-11
Be careful, however, that the exercise of your freedom does not become a stumbling block to the weak. For if anyone with a weak conscience sees you who have this knowledge eating in an idol's temple, won't he be emboldened to eat what has been sacrificed to idols? So this weak brother, for whom Christ died, is destroyed by your knowledge.
Legalistic or not, Christ said "If you love me, keep My commandments...He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the father's who send Me." John 14:15, 24
Why do we fight so hard to explain scriptures that are not there and yet ignore the ones that are?
Okay, I feel so jealous that men can do whatever they want with God and be so treasured and loved by him while I get pushed aside and feel so undervalued. I want to tell others about Jesus and encourage them through my life's troubles! Can I do that?
Of course you can. We're all suppose to do that. The only thing in the bible is that women shouldn't hold authority in the church.
__________________ Oh Lord, my God. My life is in your hands. You placed me in your lap during my days of trial, calmed my soul when I was afraid. You showed me the power of the Word Lord, for I was too stubborn to believe. Even in my stubbornness you saved me. I was weak, but you cared for me...was lost, but you found me. You freed me from the devil's chains, and told me the Truth, much more than what that liar told me. Your presence makes me smile Holy Spirit, I love you...O, King of kings, and Lord of lords....
I'm wondering what those, who suppose that women shouldn't say anything in the congregation, think is more important: spreading the gospel to everyone or making sure that no one breaks the one verse in the Bible that tells women to shut up. I've heard, that the verse in the original language meant, that women should consentrate on God and his word in church services instead of chattering. And besides, it's not in the commandments, it's not anything that Jesus said. It's one sentence that Paul wrote. Do you think it's more essential than his commandment to spread the gospel? I don't think so.
I also think there's no reason why God would really want women not to witness to anyone, because otherwise there would be more and clearer biblical backing for the command. Can you? What harm do women do for christianity if they witness, get power or become pastors?
Why did only men become diciples in the Bible then? Because it was the way to do it two thousand years ago - women in general weren't respected enough, that anyone would have listened to them anyway. That's why Jesus chose men! Diciples had to walk a lot to tell about Jesus in other regions, too. They often faced persecution and physical violence against them was common. In Jesus's time women weren't used to physical stress and it wasn't appropriate for them to get to trouble in the way the diciples did. It was husbands' and families' responsibility to keep women safe and do the dangerous work themselves! Now the time is different. We don't dress like Jesus did, we don't eat the same food that he ate, we don't live in same kinds of houses, and the norms are different. Some of the ways of today are bad, but insofar that it doesn't go against the Bible, it's appropriate.
This issue you have comes from fundamental people, or those who can't get rid of their anxieties and problems or they just don't have a sense for reasonable thinking. Keep your head up and don't be afraid of witnessing. Don't care of judgemental troublemakers and keep your values healthy, good and biblical. God bless!
Last edited by Aino; 28th May 2009 at 05:45 AM.
Reason: wrong fact. :)
This passage says a lot about the women's roll in the great commission. "And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of My Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams" (Acts 2:17) Many feel these are the last days, there has never been another time like this one, the roll of women has changed much and I feel God took that in account in this passage.
Okay, I feel so jealous that men can do whatever they want with God and be so treasured and loved by him while I get pushed aside and feel so undervalued. I want to tell others about Jesus and encourage them through my life's troubles! Can I do that?
Sure you can! Everyone is important and loved by God - not just the guys.
Originally Posted by TwistTim
The only restrictions on what a woman can do biblically are:
She can't be a preacher/bishop She can't be a deacon/elder
She can't teach men
other than that... she can be anything....
a judge, any civil office, any private office....
including a teacher of women.... just not having the title of preacher...
"I commend to your our sister Phoebe, a servant (deaconess) of the church in Cenchrea" - Romans 16:1
The first person to tell of the good news of the resurrection was a woman.
Priscilla is mentioned before her husband Aquilla making her at least his equal in the work they did spreading the gospel.
Originally Posted by SorayaNagem
1 Timothy 2:11-12 pretty clearly states that a women is meant to shut up and put up. You have no authority to assert any opinions to anyone, especially since the first time women tried that, she condemned humanity by eating a piece of fruit that God commanded Adam not to touch before she was even created. True Christians are misogynists, duh.
Adam does share some of the blame ya know. He didn't have to eat the apple. And maybe he didn't relay God's instructions to Eve very well. Not all men are good teachers.
There is presidence for women to be leaders of the people of God throughout the Bible. Miriam is called a prophetess and is often named along with Moses and Arron. Deborah was a judge, Anna was a prophetess, etc. There is no valid reason, beyond one verse from Paul, against a woman leading or teaching or preaching. the letter to Timothy was just that - a letter to Timothy. If there were problems in his church that Paul felt he needed to address then those passages may well only pertain to the behavior of the women in Timothy's charge.
I have no problem with women as pstors, or deacons or elders or teachers. Some women I know are much better suited for the positions than the men who currently hold them. God will use whom He chooses, and if He chooses a woman who are you to tell her to "shut up and jput up"?
__________________ "If you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other." Galations 5:15
"...a vice does not lose its nature, though it becomes ever so fashionable" -John Wesley
"To study too much in retreat can become an inexcusable indulgence. It behooves us to share what we have learned, to practice in administering to others what we have gathered from our experience with books" -the Brother Superior of the Glauxian Brothers of the Northern Kingdoms
Okay, I feel so jealous that men can do whatever they want with God and be so treasured and loved by him while I get pushed aside and feel so undervalued. I want to tell others about Jesus and encourage them through my life's troubles! Can I do that?
Of course you can share your faith! In fact, we're supposed too. God loves you and values you highly, sweetie. He really does! Please don't feel that God doesn't value you because He does.
So go forth and tell others about Jesus and how He has changed your life! Encourage them, love on them with the love you feel deep within--that was given to you by God.
God can and will use you. Remember He doesn't call the prepared, He prepares the called.
Be Blessed...
Last edited by IowaPastor; 20th May 2009 at 04:30 PM.
Reason: some how the message got sent before I was ready!
I am not the one telling women to shut up and put up. It is in what is considered to be God's word. So God is saying it. Who are you to deem yourself higher than God?
Ahhh---but was it God or was it Paul? Even Paul admits that some of the things he wrote came from him and not God.
As for deeming myself higher than God - quite the contrary. I know better than to try to put God into a box and limit His power. He is the one in charge, not me. And if He feels the best man for a job is a woman, than so be it.
__________________ "If you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other." Galations 5:15
"...a vice does not lose its nature, though it becomes ever so fashionable" -John Wesley
"To study too much in retreat can become an inexcusable indulgence. It behooves us to share what we have learned, to practice in administering to others what we have gathered from our experience with books" -the Brother Superior of the Glauxian Brothers of the Northern Kingdoms
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