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Unread 22nd February 2009, 01:18 AM
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Do Christians physically go in the Spiritual Realm?

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I went to a funeral not long ago.The minister that did the eulogy was commenting on the gifts and callings of the
deceased.He mentioned that she had a prophetic gift and then he said something that has puzzled me ever since the
funeral.
He said that most Christians are not able to go into the spiritual realm,fight and win against what I understood him to mean demonic spirits.
Now I understand praying in the spirit and deliverance prayers ,but he was talking about physically going into the spirit realm and fighting demons.
The minister and the deceased were not occultic I don't think.However I am confused. Anyone had these kinds of exp. and
can help me understand? The bible forbids us to do astral projection.So are their circumstances where a Christian can leave their body legally to war in the spirit realm?
I hope this makes sense. It is difficult for me to wrap my mind around this ,so I hope the post is not too confusing.
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I can relate to that because many Christians do teach false doctrines and philosophy.

No Christian goes into astral travel to fight demons. It's all done through Spiritual Warfare through "earthly and heavenly things" of the supernatural realm.

I've had manifestations of demonic beings in my presence in Christians, and I didn't have to go into the supernatural realm to cast the out.

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What he was possibly saying is that many may talk the talk, but don't walk the talk, and that lady walked the talk, and through prayer she was accomplish many things in the Spirit.
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...but he was talking about physically going into the spirit realm and fighting demons.
There is a dimension called the paranormal realm. As I understand it, it is located between the physical and supernatural realms. It is where devils operate from and has to do with the mental side of humans. It is often confused with the true supernatural realm by both Christians and Occultists. It is where people are when they have near death experiences and can't seem to go but so far towards the light or end of a tunnel, etc.

I'm assuming this is what the pastor was talking about when he talked about taking the fight to the devil on his own turf. To be honest, I think this is just a different angle of astral projection. It isn't an area that is normal for humans to go to on purpose. "On purpose" is the key phrase and is part of what seperates the occult experiences from ones that God gives us. Any time one of God's people in the Bible experienced this area, it was at the discretion of God. The person had no control over what they saw, how long it lasted, etc. The ability of a person to do things on demand is part of the attraction of the occult.

On the other hand, just because I don't know of any Biblical accounts and haven't heard of any other Christians doing this doesn't mean I'm right. It's just too close to astral projection for my liking.
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What does this mean?
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I went to a funeral not long ago.The minister that did the eulogy was commenting on the gifts and callings of the
deceased.He mentioned that she had a prophetic gift and then he said something that has puzzled me ever since the
funeral.
He said that most Christians are not able to go into the spiritual realm,fight and win against what I understood him to mean demonic spirits.
Now I understand praying in the spirit and deliverance prayers ,but he was talking about physically going into the spirit realm and fighting demons.
The minister and the deceased were not occultic I don't think.However I am confused. Anyone had these kinds of exp. and
can help me understand? The bible forbids us to do astral projection.So are their circumstances where a Christian can leave their body legally to war in the spirit realm?
I hope this makes sense. It is difficult for me to wrap my mind around this ,so I hope the post is not too confusing.
Hi..there is lots of good stuff in Ephesians about us being seated in the heavenly realms with Him.

I dont think our physical bodies do.Although they can be afflicted by the spiritual realm..kinda tuff to tell the difference sometimes.

Paul was caught up in the third dimension,but I tend to doubt it was his body,yet we know some have been transported..

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Originally Posted by pinetree View Post
Hi..there is lots of good stuff in Ephesians about us being seated in the heavenly realms with Him.

I dont think our physical bodies do.Although they can be afflicted by the spiritual realm..kinda tuff to tell the difference sometimes.

Paul was caught up in the third dimension,but I tend to doubt it was his body,yet we know some have been transported..

Cool stuff !
Paul himself didn't know.

2 Cor 12:2
"I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth) such an one caught up to the third heaven."

John was in the spirit (Rev 4:2).

Elijah was caught up physically (2 Kings 2:11).

But none of these pertained to someone fighing it out with demonic powers. Each pertains to their method of transport to be with God. So I don't think one can use any of these instances to verify what the preacher said.
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I pray she was not doing astral projection and made it to heaven.

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I pray she was not doing astral projection and made it to heaven.
Bit late now.
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I have heard of children visiting heaven and when questioned they describe the place the same but from different angles.
The details were the same just where they were standing was different.
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Originally Posted by whatfor View Post
I have heard of children visiting heaven and when questioned they describe the place the same but from different angles.
The details were the same just where they were standing was different.

Visions Beyond the Veil? About a revival that happened in an orphanage, back when Heidi Baker was a missionary?


Do Christians physically go in the Spiritual Realm?
I have a friend who probably does stuff like this. We used to be on the church deliverance team together, years ago.

I don't really know what to say about Christians going into the spirit realm to battle demons. What I personally got out of my time in the deliverance ministry was the realization that it is all Him, and none of us. We simply bring people to Jesus, and He delivers them.

What is the purpose then of battling demons in the spirit? IDK. But I imagine if God leads you to do it, then do it! It's not really the same thing as astral projection. Altered states of consciousness occur naturally all the time. When in church and the anointing is "heavy", we often times are in an altered state. Not to confuse the altered state with the actual presence of God... just that they often go hand in hand.

People try to work up a state of mind that the Holy Spirit showed up in the last time around. It doesn't always work. Sometimes we can achieve the same feelings and states of consciousness, but the H.S. acts independently from what we can accomplish on our own. Accomplishing an altered state without the Spirit showing up is rather disappointing, but it does give you a good idea of what people who don't have Him have to settle for for their spiritual "high"!
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