If you believe God is the God who created the universe, any totally objective analysis of His creation will only point to Him and the method and timeframe He used to create it.
Therefore, as a key component to Christianity is faith in Jesus, God and the Holy Spirit, it is antithetical to the core of that belief to consistently and indiscriminately ignore and disbelieve in what objective analysis of God's work tells us about it. In essence it is a little like looking at a hotdog and insisting it's a bicycle.
Am I now saying that Christians cannot be creationists? No. Christians can be a lot of things. I am saying that it is silly to place one's own subjective semantics above objective and factual analysis of God's handiwork. If we truly believe in God as our father and creator we should be thrilled at the prospect of learning more about Him, no matter what we learn. We cannot do so if we lock ourselves into a single, locked mindset. God does not fit in such a mindset. He is far too big, awe-inspiring and well, just plain awesome (pardon the use of subjective words. But I really think He is!). So I think it is sad to see so many "creationists" denying whatever doesn't fit their notion of what the truth is. To me, it seems like a lack of faith - or a misconception.
There is one more point why creationism shouldn't matter a whit;
It doesn't save us. It doesn't tell us to love one another. It doesn't spread peace. It does NOT lead people to Christ (but rather pushes them away). It's alternative[s] is[are] not sinful or harmful. And it does not fit what studies of God's handiwork has revealed.
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If you believe God is the God who created the universe, any totally objective analysis of His creation will only point to Him and the method and timeframe He used to create it.
I have to respectfully disagree, Guardian, on a technicality.
God created this universe ex nihilo --- and that type of creation did not leave an audit trail that we can trace back.
Therefore, and in my opinion, the Creation Week cannot be ascertained scientifically.
We must go by faith in the Documentation as to how it happened, when it happened, Who did it, why it was done, what order it was done in, and even who the eyewitness were --- which said Documentation gives us all that information, and more.
I have to respectfully disagree, Guardian, on a technicality.
A technicality -- why am I not surprised?
God created this universe ex nihilo --- and that type of creation did not leave an audit trail that we can trace back.
Even if we accept that as true -- and by your own admission, there's no reason to -- everything God has subsequently done would've left audit trails.
The Flood comes to mind. And yet no trails exist. One hides the evidence of an act out of fear of being discovered. What is God afraid of?
Therefore, and in my opinion, the Creation Week cannot be ascertained scientifically.
Nor can it be ascertained any other way -- except mythologically.
We must go by faith in the Documentation as to how it happened, when it happened, Who did it, why it was done, what order it was done in, and even who the eyewitness were --- which said Documentation gives us all that information, and more.
I have to respectfully disagree, Guardian, on a technicality.
God created this universe ex nihilo --- and that type of creation did not leave an audit trail that we can trace back.
Therefore, and in my opinion, the Creation Week cannot be ascertained scientifically.
We must go by faith in the Documentation as to how it happened, when it happened, Who did it, why it was done, what order it was done in, and even who the eyewitness were --- which said Documentation gives us all that information, and more.
God bless!
it's absent from the data, no wonder scientists think the way they do, but it is misleading to give us DNA 98% like a chimpanzee if we are not related to chimpanzees. But he gave his documentation!!! if you think the document trumps the data, good for you, scientists studying nature do not have that luxury.
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Indeed the debate around "dark matter" is precisely because of what is observed. To my knowledge no one would ever say "dark matter can never be physically verified", but I hear that sort of thing all the time about religion.
"God cannot be seen", or the occasional fundamentalist who insists that God cleaned up evidence of events which are not found, or God "embedded age" into items to account for their having achieved a specific age without having gone through requisite time passage.
Think of dark matter as being a noise on the otherside of a closed door. We are attempting to understand what the noise is and account for it, but ultimately we assume that upon opening of the door we will be able to verify it.
For right now we hear the noise and assume it has an actual physical cause.
Right. But in the case of The Flood you instead invoke God "cleaning up" after himself to hide the evidence. There is always an ad hoc explanation for why the physical evidence doesn't match your fallible interpretation of scripture. Isn't there?
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