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19th February 2009, 08:11 AM
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If we have a living indwelling and leading of the Spirit of God, why then would we ever need to rely on the writings of other men?
Isn't the best way the most direct way?
I mean, we have God living IN us, why look further?
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19th February 2009, 08:59 AM
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Reps: 62,872,008,933,257,656 (power: 62,872,008,933,270) | | Originally Posted by dawiyd  If we have a living indwelling and leading of the Spirit of God, why then would we ever need to rely on the writings of other men?
Isn't the best way the most direct way?
I mean, we have God living IN us, why look further?
MY BROTHER--We have been given the Bible as a "measuring stick" to allow us to be sure that what we are "hearing" in our hearts is indeed the HOLY Spirit and not the "evil spirit" of the adversary.
The Bible states and illustrates the boundaries within which God's Holy Spirit operates and within which we are to respond. Any voice which contradicts or transgresses these boundaries is, ipso facto, not that of God--who NEVER contradicts Himself--but the voice of the tempter, attempting to drown out the Truth with his lies.
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__________________ Lo, i have gathered up all of my thoughts and cannot recall anything good before Thee . . .
except the fact that i know no other God than Thee.
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19th February 2009, 09:05 AM
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Reps: 37,425,455,662,140,704 (power: 37,425,455,662,149) | | Originally Posted by ephraimanesti MY BROTHER--We have been given the Bible as a "measuring stick" to allow us to be sure that what we are "hearing" in our hearts is indeed the HOLY Spirit and not the "evil spirit" of the adversary.
The Bible states and illustrates the boundaries within which God's Holy Spirit operates and within which we are to respond. Any voice which contradicts or transgresses these boundaries is, ipso facto, not that of God--who NEVER contradicts Himself--but the voice of the tempter, attempting to drown out the Truth with his lies.
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Logically then, it must be said the Spirit is not sufficient?
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Reps: 9,696,695 (power: 9,701) | | | The problem is not within the holy spirit, the problem lays within us, our weak nature that would hear the voice of God but wouldn't know if it's truly the voice of God.
God has created us with free will, we can either choose to love him and obey what he says (through the holy spirit), or just neglect whatever we are being told. |
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Reps: 37,425,455,662,140,704 (power: 37,425,455,662,149) | | Originally Posted by GodIsNear The problem is not within the holy spirit, the problem lays within us, our weak nature that would hear the voice of God but wouldn't know if it's truly the voice of God.
God has created us with free will, we can either choose to love him and obey what he says (through the holy spirit), or just neglect whatever we are being told.
That's fine, but it doesn't address the question, to clarify
This comes back to really not needing the bible. if some one has truly tested tested the bible, found it wanting, yet the Spirit tells them to remain a faithful.
However
then, one knows the Spirit does not lead a person infallibly and in fact a person might very well be wrong about the whole notion and everywhere that notion has lead them.
Alot of people have the bible and the leading of the Spirit and still have that same problem.
Also, to tie it back to Ephraimanesti's post can we assume the biblical authors are immune from the problem?
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Reps: 62,872,008,933,257,656 (power: 62,872,008,933,270) | | Originally Posted by dawiyd Logically then, it must be said the Spirit is not sufficient?
MY BROTHER,
No, your surmise is incorrect. Scripture itself is the result of the Holy Spirit's work--"All scripture is God-breathed, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness."(II Timothy 3:16) The purpose of the written Word--inspired by the Holy Spirit--is to corroborate the Word spoken in our hearts to the end that we can be sure that what is spoken to us directly and individually by the Holy Spirit does not conflict with that which the Holy Spirit has spoken to us corporately--as the Body of Christ--as thus is indeed the Word of God and not a voice from the adversary or an expression of our own ego desires.
This process is perhaps similar to asking directions of someone and the person both verbally explaining how to get there and also drawing us a map of the route--the one reinforcing the other.
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__________________ Lo, i have gathered up all of my thoughts and cannot recall anything good before Thee . . .
except the fact that i know no other God than Thee.
--Saint Ephraim the Syrian
LORD JESUS CHRIST, HUMBLE LAMB OF GOD, have mercy on me, an arrogant sinner!
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