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"He has showed you, O man, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you?
To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God." -- Micah 6:8
Seeing how the social conservatives and the liberals have their own designated threads, considered "congregational" in nature in that it is intended to be a fellowship thread of sorts, I was wondering if there would be any interest in the largest of the independent political movements out there, libertarianism.
What is a libertarian? Well, in short a libertarian embraces the unfettered social liberty embraced by "liberals and progressives" (i.e., get the government out of my bedroom or house) while demanding that the government return to its Constitutional fiscal roots (i.e., get the government out of my wallet). Granted, its more diverse and complex than this, as there are socially conservative libertarians who embrace a curtailment of abortion, and certainly abhor the fact that it is federally funded. There are "liberal" libertarians who strongly advocate for legalization of marijuana. (Note that these are only two small representative examples).
The official party platform is here: www.lp.org
Some Wikified information here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism, although I don't there there are many takers here for the extreme form of libertarianism that seeks to abolish the state (anarchism)
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I can't join the libertarian party because one of the first things in the pledge - or whatever they call the list of things you need to agree with - is that you never support the initiation of the use of force. Military has to always be reactionary. Call me a Bush-doctrine loving fool, but I think some good old preemptive strikes have a lot of merit.
Most of the rest I agree with.
I wasn't necessarily advocating for joining the libertarian party, but rather tryinig to establish a place where people can discuss the principles of libertarianism, which is a political position, rather than a social, moral, religious, or some other position.
Libertarianism describes one's perspective of state power. As such it stands vehemently opposed to Statism. Progressivism and Conservatism(technically speaking) relate to societal change and the rate at which it should occur. Progressives holding that when society needs change, it should be done in a radical and revolutionary way. Conservatives understand that the demands of society change, but that change should be organic and evolutionary. So, one could be a progressive libertarian or a conservative libertarian. By all reasonable measures, the founding fathers were morally conservative, socially progressive libertarians.
Where libertarians draw the line is the acceptable level of state control and power. The ultimate example of libertarian societies are the Lakota and Iroquois Confederacies (before Lincoln's war against native America).
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How accurate would it be to accuse libertarians of being conservatives in all but name, since they will never protect social liberties when there are still economic issues they want to adress? That they'll pretty much unfailingly vote for whoever promises them the most tax cuts and to hell with such concerns as civil rights?
That is fundamentally untrue. Libertarians typically ally themselves with conservatives (in America) because most American conservatives are devoted, at least in principle, to small government. The basic axiom of libertarianism is "Get the government out of my bedroom (civil liberties) and out of my wallet (economic freedom)". In fact the ultimate libertarian society would have no government because people would have not only the freedom to live their lives as they wish, but also tempered by the dictates of moral responsibility to do no harm to one's fellow citizen. Utopian of course, but what political philosophy doesn't have the perfect society as its ideal goal?
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Do you folks like the fact that the top law enforcement official in the United States is running around giving speeches because he doesn't like how folks live live their private lives and spend their free time?
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"Eating fried chicken with his regicidal friends..."
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I got tired of being pushed into a box with Democrats or Republicans, depending on the situation.
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Do you folks like the fact that the top law enforcement official in the United States is running around giving speeches because he doesn't like how folks live live their private lives and spend their free time?
Umm, more info? Not sure who or what your referring to.
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Umm, more info? Not sure who or what your referring to.
Eric Holder just gave a speech where he complained about how people spend their private time.
That's bad isn't it?
__________________ Some of the most successful relationships are based on lies and deceit. Since that's where they usually end up anyway, it's a logical place to start.
---Yuri Orlov
"Eating fried chicken with his regicidal friends..."
The only problem with an honest buck is they're so hard to make - the margins are too low, too many people are doin' it.
---Yuri Orlov
Eric Holder just gave a speech where he complained about how people spend their private time.
That's bad isn't it?
The guy who processed the pardon for Guy Ritchie wants to lecture me on how I live or spend my time. He can take a short walk on a long pier for all I care.
To answer your question, yes, that's bad. I don't need the government telling me how to live my life or spend my time or money.
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The guy who processed the pardon for Guy Ritchie wants to lecture me on how I live or spend my time. He can take a short walk on a long pier for all I care.
To answer your question, yes, that's bad. I don't need the government telling me how to live my life or spend my time or money.
I like you guys already.
__________________ Some of the most successful relationships are based on lies and deceit. Since that's where they usually end up anyway, it's a logical place to start.
---Yuri Orlov
"Eating fried chicken with his regicidal friends..."
The only problem with an honest buck is they're so hard to make - the margins are too low, too many people are doin' it.
---Yuri Orlov
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