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Originally Posted by MacFall View Post
A friend of mine is a cop. He started out in our hometown, but had to quit because the department was corrupt (i.e, threatening dealers for their drugs and then selling them), and he couldn't do anything about it. So he went to the adjacent township. They were doing the same thing. Finally he got a job in a city where there's enough real crime that he feels like he's doing something good. Only now he's actually in danger.

I pray often that he gets a private sector job.
I assume private police have their hands tied as to how much they can actually do?
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Yeah, but I wasn't talking about private security. He's a really great programmer, and I think he should be working in that field. He only became a cop because he needed to work his way through school with a wife and three kids.
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Yeah, but I wasn't talking about private security. He's a really great programmer, and I think he should be working in that field. He only became a cop because he needed to work his way through school with a wife and three kids.
That brings up another issue. It seems that the military and police lure those in financial need and then put them in some of the most dangerous positions ever. I remember when recruiters from the Marines and Army came to my high school and both used the prospect of money and early retirement to get us to join. Sounds like exploitation of the poor to me, yet I rarely hear the left saying to abolish the police and military.
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What would that be, if you don't mind my asking?
Customs.

Bush's DHS idea really wan't very good, but the US Customs Service has been around in one form or another since 1789.

Naturalization and customs duties were covered in the Constitution.
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So when Ron Paul probably doesn't get the GOP nomination, whats next? Will libertarians still write him in or do you think they will start supporting Gary Johnson? Or just not vote at all?
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I'll be doing the latter, but I suspect there will be a large enough write-in campaign to get one last trickle of media blurbs before the love fest for the next President begins. And also, if Romney loses to Obama it will probably be substantial enough for Limbaugh, Hannity, et al to blame Paul supporters for "splitting the vote" against the lesser of the two actually completely identical evils.
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I'll be doing the latter, but I suspect there will be a large enough write-in campaign to get one last trickle of media blurbs before the love fest for the next President begins.
That was my thinking behind it and why I will probably write in Paul (though if he endorses Johnson and tells his to supporters to vote for him, I will). Perhaps during the coverage of the drooling idiots chanting Obama's name Wolf Blitzer will mention that Paul got X% of the vote and the foaming-at-the-mouth Republicans will take that as 'screw the establishment.'

And also, if Romney loses to Obama it will probably be substantial enough for Limbaugh, Hannity, et al to blame Paul supporters for "splitting the vote" against the lesser of the two actually completely identical evils.
I'm torn between wanting to look good to the GOP because Neocon Tea Partiers seem like prime people to convert to liberty, and just forgetting the GOP as an eternal enemy of libertarianism. I know you're not a fan of political action, but what would you see as the best strategy?
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You can't possibly pander enough to the ones who respond to pandering. That's from my own personal experience, anyway. So I wouldn't worry about "looking good" to them. They have warped vision.
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I'm torn between wanting to look good to the GOP because Neocon Tea Partiers seem like prime people to convert to liberty, and just forgetting the GOP as an eternal enemy of libertarianism. I know you're not a fan of political action, but what would you see as the best strategy?
The Dems and the GOP have been around for over 150 years.

Your best bet is to try to change one or the other from within. See if you can find Take Back Your Government by RAH.
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If that's our best bet, then we're screwed sideways.
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