The Church - The Body of Christ

Benefactor · #31 1st March 2009, 02:20 AM

Originally Posted by Terral

Hi Benefactor:

This is perhaps the most ridiculous statement you have made yet! Nobody in the OT had sins forgiven by repentance, confession of sins and water baptism for the ‘forgiveness of sins’ (Mark 1:4-5), as if ANYONE in the Old Testament preached the ‘Gospel of the Kingdom’ (#1) TO ANYONE. Christ says that all the prophets and the Law prophesied UNTIL JOHN (Matt. 11:13), because John's Ministry marked the moment that God began 'fulfilling' (Jn 1:6-7) the same "Prophets and the Law" (OT = in golden yellow) through "My messenger/angel." Malachi 3:1.

You are regurgitating the same nonsense that is not worthy of any reply. Anyone led astray by this kind of nonsense is not even paying attention and is MUCH too far from the ‘Body of Christ’ ship (Church #2) to receive any lifeline from a bible thumper like me . . .

Please check ‘the Topic’ (The Church = Body of Christ) and try again . . .

In Christ Jesus,

Terral

Nonsense

Hismessenger · #32 7th March 2009, 10:09 AM

It truly amazes me how many get caught in the natural scheme on things but can't see the overall picture. The rock who is the church was ordained before you ever had a brain fart and is mentioned countless times in the old testament.

Here are just a few

Deu 32:4 [He is] the Rock, his work [is] perfect: for all his ways [are] judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right [is] he.

Jdg 6:20 And the angel of God said unto him, Take the flesh and the unleavened cakes, and lay [them] upon this rock, and pour out the broth. And he did so.

Psa 40:2 He brought me up also out of an horrible pit, out of the miry clay, and set my feet upon a rock, [and] established my goings.

Psa 42:9 I will say unto God my rock, Why hast thou forgotten me? why go I mourning because of the oppression of the enemy?

2Sa 22:2 And he said, The LORD [is] my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer;

2Sa 22:3 The God of my rock; in him will I trust: [he is] my shield, and the horn of my salvation, my high tower, and my refuge, my saviour; thou savest me from violence.

2Sa 22:32 For who [is] God, save the LORD? and who [is] a rock, save our God?

God is not a God given to the time line of man. The reason why most can't see or understand. The word rock appears 87 times in the old testament. It might benefit you to start there with your seeking

Put away you human wisdom and ask the rock of truth to give you true revelation/understanding.

hismessenger

Hismessenger · #33 7th March 2009, 10:26 AM

God began separating the faithful back in the book of Genesis, Not in the new testament. Look at His conversation with Cain about the offerings brought before Him and you might see the true beginnings of the body of Christ.

Gen 4:26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.

hismessenger

Ghost air · #34 7th March 2009, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by Benefactor

The point in this thread is to discuss the relevance of Matthews statement that the Church is future of the time in which the statement was made verses the belief that the Church being viewed as an extension of the Old Testament believers.

Matthew 16:18 "I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it.

If you are one that see the church of Christ as an extension of the "so called church" of the OT then how do you deal with this clear statement by Christ that the church He is going to build does not exist at the time He makes this statement?

IMO, the church of God which is also referred to as the body of Christ - could not have existed in the OT, because Christ Himself IS building it based upon... what...

Based upon the confession of 'Jesus of Nazareth' being the Son of the living God.

How could Christ build His church upon THAT confession in OT times past, if He was not yet manifest in the flesh as Jesus of Nazareth..?

Hismessenger · #35 9th March 2009, 10:11 PM

Christ was ordained to be the church before the foundations of the world and appeared many times in the old testament before His purpose in the new covenant was made manifest in the earth. Don't forget, God is not governed by time for it was tomorrow yesterday in eternity.

hismessenger

Ghost air · #36 10th March 2009, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by Hismessenger

Christ was ordained to be the church before the foundations of the world and appeared many times in the old testament before His purpose in the new covenant was made manifest in the earth. Don't forget, God is not governed by time for it was tomorrow yesterday in eternity.

hismessenger

SO are you suggesting that OT saints confessed that Jesus of Nazareth was the Son of the living God - before He was manifest in the flesh..?

Azeke · #37 12th March 2009, 12:05 PM

I think the doctrine along with the calling for the members is the seperation.
The doctrinal aspects of the seven churches in revelations (which I believe are all Jewish assemblies) have a different message than what we find else where within Pauls writtings, saved by grace, complete in Christ is not the doctrinal outlay of those seven asian churches, their roots are found in historical Israel, and the problems faced in the OT from their roots to Christ.

We also find Jew and partaking Gentile within the olive tree of Israels hope, and later we find in the new man neither Jew nor Gentile but a new creation.

We find the same terms in the hope of Israel but its in reference to coming to God for salvation, being a Jew or Gentile, male or female, held no advantage over the other in obtaining salvation from God, becoming a new creature ect, but you still had Jew, and Gentile a shadow of the coming prophetic kingdom on earth when Christs reigns from is earthly fathers throne.

The New Man was a secret, kept since the foundation and is completly heavenly with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places.

Zeke.

Hismessenger · #38 13th March 2009, 11:25 AM

In one word, YES.

hismessenger

Ghost air · #39 13th March 2009, 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by Hismessenger

In one word, YES.

hismessenger

Would you care to explain how OT saints confessed that Jesus of Nazareth was the Christ (the Son of the living God) before He was manifest in the flesh to Israel..?

Hismessenger · #40 13th March 2009, 06:00 PM

I'll let the scripture answer that,

Hbr 11:13 — These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of [them], and embraced [them], and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

They knew who He was. Abraham talked with Him in a manifestation of the flesh before Sodom and Gomorrah The word says that God talked with Moses face to face. this is confirmed on the mount of transfiguration. There are many more places that show they knew He was coming. Isaiah talks about His coming and so did Jeremiah and Zachariah.

It's all there if you have eyes to see and ears to her what the spirit is saying.

hismessenger