Do gays pushing for gay marriage realize what they are asking Christians to accept?

Autumnleaf · #1 16th February 2009, 11:17 AM

They are asking not only for sodomy to be recognized as normal, but on top of that they are asking that the traditional relationship between man and woman where children are created is to be legally synonymous with two sodomites engaging in what God's word calls a grave sin.

I've heard it said that white people don't have culture. That is a lie. White people have a Christian culture that is being torn apart at the seams by special interest groups such as this. You don't hear about Jewish or Muslim people pushing for gay marriage recognition in Israel or Iran. But for some reason it is being pushed in America and Europe.

Staccato · #2 16th February 2009, 11:26 AM

Really? I thought they were just asking for the morality of such relationships to be up to individual people and not rely on the state to legislate it for them. Oh, and the whole equality before the law thing. That too.

Freodin · #3 16th February 2009, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by Autumnleaf

They are asking not only for sodomy to be recognized as normal, but on top of that they are asking that the traditional relationship between man and woman where children are created is to be legally synonymous with two sodomites engaging in what God's word calls a grave sin.

I've heard it said that white people don't have culture. That is a lie. White people have a Christian culture that is being torn apart at the seams by special interest groups such as this. You don't hear about Jewish or Muslim people pushing for gay marriage recognition in Israel or Iran. But for some reason it is being pushed in America and Europe.

Well, that is incorrect. (Dare I say "a lie"? No, I´ll stay with "incorrect".)

Sexual activity between persons of the same sex is already legal in western countries. That includes "sodomy" - whatever you want to subsume under this term.

So gays are not asking you to accept anything more in regard to sexuality as married couples asking you to accept that they can legally engage in anal or oral sex.

Marriage is also - and has for most of the time been - much more than "the relationship where children are produced". As has been stated many times before, having children - or even desiring to have children is no prerequisite for a legal marriage.

And lastly, even in Israel people are fighting - and to a degree winning - to have their unions accepted. I´m sure that gay muslim would like to do so either, but the athmosphere in the islamic world does not allow that. But it is a human problem, not a "western" one.

YamiB · #4 16th February 2009, 11:39 AM

I'd assume they're asking you to accept that the country is not a theocracy and that there is no valid reason to deny them these rights in the legal realm.

Robbie_James_Francis · #5 16th February 2009, 11:57 AM

That we are permitted to have equal civil liberties? Simply, that in between anyone being allowed to register complaint, offense or disagreement with gay relationships that civil law and society, that crucially impartial observer before whom all are equal in dignity and rights, permits us to the pursuit of happiness.

What is being asked of is for you to give up your despotic and authoritarian aspirations and come to (finally) accept the fundamental principles of liberal democracy that already give you so many freedoms.

Or move to Saudi Arabia and live the theocratic dream.

Of course, it's me that's trying to tear apart the fabric of ("white" apparently), "Christian" America and Europe. I'm not in the majority, I don't blindly follow any curtailing of civil liberty for supposed security and I rarely engage in mindless flag-waving and nation-worship. I just have respect for the principles at the heart of free countries, unlike the OP.

TeddyKGB · #6 16th February 2009, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by Autumnleaf

They are asking not only for sodomy to be recognized as normal, but on top of that they are asking that the traditional relationship between man and woman where children are created is to be legally synonymous with two sodomites engaging in what God's word calls a grave sin.

Better panic; it might lead to atheists marrying other atheists.

Oops.

I've heard it said that white people don't have culture. That is a lie. White people have a Christian culture that is being torn apart at the seams by special interest groups such as this. You don't hear about Jewish or Muslim people pushing for gay marriage recognition in Israel or Iran. But for some reason it is being pushed in America and Europe.

This is so transcendentally dumb that the flippant response I had planned seems decidedly second-rate in comparison. Congrats, you have effectively parodied yourself.

The Nihilist · #7 16th February 2009, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by Autumnleaf

They are asking not only for sodomy to be recognized as normal, but on top of that they are asking that the traditional relationship between man and woman where children are created is to be legally synonymous with two sodomites engaging in what God's word calls a grave sin.

Man, that's no big deal. I spend every Saturday night trying to convince my girlfriend that sodomy is perfectly fine. I guess that if I succeeded, I'd be doing that second part, too.

ALiberalTeen · #8 16th February 2009, 01:01 PM

First of all, what people find normal depends on the person.

About gay marriage, honestly...too bad. Religion isn't the end all for american politics, not everybody shares your beliefs.

cgcsb · #9 16th February 2009, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by Autumnleaf

They are asking not only for sodomy to be recognized as normal, but on top of that they are asking that the traditional relationship between man and woman where children are created is to be legally synonymous with two sodomites engaging in what God's word calls a grave sin.

I've heard it said that white people don't have culture. That is a lie. White people have a Christian culture that is being torn apart at the seams by special interest groups such as this. You don't hear about Jewish or Muslim people pushing for gay marriage recognition in Israel or Iran. But for some reason it is being pushed in America and Europe.

Sodomy is already recognised is normal for straight and gay couples. Not that people's private lives are any of your concern. In a secular society, people don't really care what you consider sin or not. If you really cared about sinners, you would protest at apartment blocks because they encourage people to live together outside of wed lock, and all sin is equal in the bible. How does two men who are in love getting married tear apart your ever so important white supremisist culture?

For the record, Isreal is considered a western nation and politically(though not geographically) European. Isreal recognises foreign gay marriages and they have civil unions that will eventually become marriage.

Church and State are seperate (in theory)
You are really one of the most offensive people i've ever seen

explodingboy · #10 16th February 2009, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by Autumnleaf

They are asking not only for sodomy to be recognized as normal, but on top of that they are asking that the traditional relationship between man and woman where children are created is to be legally synonymous with two sodomites engaging in what God's word calls a grave sin.

Perhaps if you stopped picking on them, they would not have to push back so hard and then everyone could just get along. Currently until they have Gay marriage it seems that Christian will make every possible loop hole to keep Gays from having all there rights. With the continual passing of civil partnerships, the response we've seen is from the Christian right is Adoption laws were adopties Must be married and they don't even hide the fact it's to stop Gay people from using the adoption system.

I've heard it said that white people don't have culture. That is a lie. White people have a Christian culture

Odd, my White culture was far from Christian.. The white culture I see came from scientific breakthroughs that allow us Whites (feel free to Westerners, its somewhat more accurate of the population on a whole) to really expand are horizons and question why we do what we do. Western Culture isn't about following Christianity, It's about being free to ask why we believe what we believe.

You don't hear about Jewish or Muslim people pushing for gay marriage recognition in Israel or Iran. But for some reason it is being pushed in America and Europe.

probably because in those countries they can't even come out of the closet without being attacked, Look for news of pride marches though and you'll see a very different picture of people pushing to be able to express themselves even in those countries. Things happen one step at a time.