See,that is the new man,whom God says he sees as holy,because of the sacrificial lamb..
Ephesians 4:24
Eph 4:24 and to put on the new self,created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.Hebrews 10:10
Heb 10:10 And by that will, we have been made holyp through the sacrifice of the bodyq of Jesus Christ once for all.r
That is why we are a new creation,not the flesh.2 Corinthians 5:17
2Co 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ,he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!
There are some requirements that you seemed to have glazed over....
1.) put on a new man created to be like GOD
......that means.. in true righteousness... aka perfect keeper of the law
......and holy..... that is also 100% focus on Him only.
2.) being made holy... that is the work of sanctification which also comes from dwelling in the Word, the truth, and being convicted by the Law unto repentence.
3.) through the sacrifice of Yeshua... which is also from the law, where in you see and learn the process God has laid out how the sacrifice will atone for the sins against His law are applied.
__________________ Since the Torah is a finite book expressing the will of an infinite God, many lessons must be derivable from each passage from all the infinite angles.
There are some requirements that you seemed to have glazed over....
1.) put on a new man created to be like GOD
......that means.. in true righteousness... aka perfect keeper of the law
......and holy..... that is also 100% focus on Him only.
2.) being made holy... that is the work of sanctification which also comes from dwelling in the Word, the truth, and being convicted by the Law unto repentence.
3.) through the sacrifice of Yeshua... which is also from the law, where in you see and learn the process God has laid out how the sacrifice will atone for the sins against His law are applied.
nope,,my new man in the Spirit,is not under law..
It is a whole new principal...
Life in the spirit,not law..
Life by the Spirit
16So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature. 17For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature. They are in conflict with each other, so that you do not do what you want. 18But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law.
see here,,the victory is grace..not law..
Romans 6:14 For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace.
Remember,,the annual sacrifices never took away sins..
Hebrews 10
Christ's Sacrifice Once for All
1The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship. 2If it could, would they not have stopped being offered? For the worshipers would have been cleansed once for all, and would no longer have felt guilty for their sins. 3But those sacrifices are an annual reminder of sins, 4because it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.
Last edited by pinetree; 25th March 2009 at 01:30 PM.
Sounds like a far cry from liberty.Peter said the same thing in acts..about a yoke,no one could bear..
If you think about it..really kinda sad the law was needed..
Pinetree, I am fairly new here, and have followed this post with interest, as I too believe that the new covenant sets us free from the law of commandments, a law that can bring us to experience Romans 7 and no further.
Your last comment got me to thinking.... why was the law necessary? It is sad that it was needed but why was it?
I believe it is because of the lack of understanding about sin and its grip on our hearts. When we come to Christ, we see sin as individiual acts of failure, black spots on our white cloaks. God sees differently. He sees that there is none righteous, no, not one. He sees that ALL our righteousness is as filthy rags. He sees our cloaks as black...totally.
The law was given not to giveus rules to becoming holy but to finally understand how black our fallen nature is. it is unreformable. it must be killed. The law was for two sole purposes.
1) It was given to "keep sin in check" for the 400 years until the covenant of preomise should come.
2) It was to make us "guilty" before God and more importantly, in our own eyes. We have to see how truly weak we are, how truly incapable we are of following the commandments of God with a rebellious nature still in control.
We simply do not comprehend the complete and total fallen nature of man, so we want to put different degrees of evil of acts of sin, and have a hard time comprehending that a man who is a mass murderer of children goes to the same hell as the worldly man who was upstanding in his community but who simply refused Christ's offer of salvation. It seems so ...well...unfair.
We do not see the complete corruption of the fleshly nature and that despite our most intense efforts, we simply cannot improve our flesh, or kill it on the time payment plan. The flesh, our old corrupt nature, cannot inherit the kingdom of God...period. It must be fully "put off" if we are ever to advance in the spiritual realm.
Because of this poor comrehension of the depth of our need, we set about when we get saved to start our idea of the process of sanctification, trying to rub out the black spots on our white cloaks, all "with Jesus' help" of course. We fail to see our weakness is not individual acts of sin, but the fact that we ARE sin.
We have got to put the black cloak on the alter of God and let it die. We have got to receive from Jesus a new nature, a white robe, which does not desire to sin but to please God in all things. This is why Jesus spoke to the Laodecian church of their need to receive from Him "white raiment", His new nature imparted to us.
And how are these two things accomplished in the spirit? By faith....like all else we receive from God. This is why we are asked in Romans 6 to reckon ourselves dead indeed unto sin. (The question for each of us is...have I really ever done this?)
This is why we are asked to believe that we are no longer in the flesh, but in the spirit, if so be that the spirit of God dwells in us, that it is not dying but dead.
Like Israel delivered out of Pharoah's cruel hand, and found wandering in the wilderness, the church is no longer in it's Egypt, the world, where sin is rampant, and we are ruled by our former taskmaster satan, yet neither is the church in the Promised land of victory, where milk and honey flow, where every step we take is ours. Instead, how many there are who wander for years, decades, in the wilderness, always moving, always "making progress", but never getting anywhere.
And why did 600,000 souls perish in the desert when it was God's full intent to bring them into the "free indeed" of the Promised Land? Why did only 2 out of those 600,00 souls...TWO!....inherit the promises of God?
Simple. They doubted not but believed fully that what He had promised, He was able also to perform. God said the land was theirs..they simply believed Him and doubted not, in spite of the giants residing there.
Why do we so often see saints stay on this side of the Jordan, living in compromise, spiritual drought, complacency, worliness, sin and a form of Chrisrianity that promises much but delivers little? Why do we so closely resemble the Laodecian church in Revelation 3?
Simply because we too have failed to believe our God and His clear word to us...
Sin shall NOT have dominion over you."
and consequently we have stumbled over the stumbling stone...the law...thinking that we can possess the land thru our efforts, that somehow, if we dig deep enough, discipline ourselves hard enough, muster all of our strength and resolve, that we can obey our God with pureness of heart and motive. Our flesh blinds us to our incapacity to truly obey as God asks us. Forsaking adultery is not enough. Lust is the same thing. Aschewing murder is not enough. Hatred is murder. God demands pure hearts, heart that outside of His living in us, we simply do not possess, neither can we.
Instead of coming to God in brokenness and humility, by faith acknowledging that He alone can bring us in to heart victory through our weak faith in His strong and exceeding great and precious promises that He has made to us, we set about to please Him by showing him how strong we are,l how appreciative we are for Him send His son to die in our place.
The problem is...we simply have not realized how weak we really are, how desperate we all are, needing a complete new nature, and until we do, our strength will keep us bound to our flesh, to defeat and to despair.
Sorry for the long post, LOL. I do have a blog found at exceedinggratandpreciouspromises dot blogspot dot com
if any wants to find true freedom in this life. It awaits all who call upon the Lord.
Pinetree, may God bless you for standing strong. Eyes are slowly being opened in these last days to the exceeding greatness of His power to usward who believe.
Gideon
__________________ "Whom the son sets free is free indeed" is not a marketing slogan invented by God. He longs to do exactly as He has promised us. Let us not limit God by our unbelief, for if we will but believe, He will do exceedingly abundandly above and beyond all we ask or even think.
" For the eyes of the Lord run to and fro throughout the whole earth, to show Himself strong in the behalf of those whose heart is perfect towards Him." 2 Chronicles 16:9
To put it simply the law was given to point out our sin.
Christ fulfilled all the law at His resurrection and now by grace through faith, we are imputed His righteousness as His chosen people.
Christ removed the curse of the law many of the ministers speak about in Malicai 3 to place a yoke of guilt on the peoples necks. The word clearly says that if you endeavor to keep any part of the law, you must keep it all. For if you fail in any part of it ,you fail in it all, even if you keep the one thing faithfully. The word is true and you are condemned by your unbelief and actions against the sacrifice of our Lord And Saviour Jesus Christ. I for one do not wish to put my Master to more shame because of my lack of faith in His finished work on the cross, nor do I wish to put my neck back under the guillotine and risk losing my head when Christ removed us from that danger with His blood.
Grace through Faith is the only way to God through Christ. Not works of the law. Israel is our example of what not to do for righteousness by trying to keep the law. How many realize that to show partiality is a sin. Yet we do it every day and it is in the law of God. Guilty as charged of all the law, and that includes me. Thank God for His grace and mercy and Salvation by His love through Christ Jesus for our sakes Amen.
To believe that The Mosaic Law was written as a how-to book for getting to heaven is contrary to Torah. At the time it was written there was no reason even to consider it as a means of absolute perfection. It was written as a societal law; to the extent that the Hebrews kept it firmly, their society would be strong, vibrant, and prosperous. Here is the agreement which God actually entered into with them:
If you pay attention to these laws and are careful to follow them, then the Lord your God will keep his covenant of love with you, as he swore to your forefathers. He will love you and bless you and increase your numbers. He will bless the fruit of your womb, the crops of your land - your grain, new wine and oil - the calves of your herds and the lambs of your flocks in the land that he swore to your forefathers to give you. You will be blessed more than any other people; none of your men or women will be childless, nor any of your livestock without young. The Lord will keep you free from every disease. He will not inflict on you the horrible diseases you knew in Egypt, but he will inflict them on all who hate you. (Deuteronomy 7:12-15,NIV)
They obeyed The Mosaic Law in this life; they were rewarded in this life. Death was the end, rather than a transition to a more spiritual plain.
"Please...no more law! No more ministry of death!"
Who gave the Law? God the Father, right? Our Savior, Our Messiah, the Spirit within... right?
We're called to walk in the Spirit... as Christ walked, His whole life was in accordance with the ways of the Father, i.e. God's Law. Even unto death!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How precious this is people!!!!!
Is the Law which our Holy Father, our Heavenly Creator gave to us through Moses... "a ministry of death"
Jesus lived out His life according to the Law as a ministry of death? Paul lived according to the Law as a ministry of death? Stephen, Mary, King David, Moses, the list goes on and on, they all kept "the Law" a ministry of death?
I can not understand such Theologies. God the Father, loves His people, He does not harm. He does not trick or give His people instructions that will lead them to death. Believe, have Faith that "God's Law" is Holy, Just and Good... It is a gift to be treasured and protected.
Oh to realize and experience that His ways, His paths, His instructions are given... to bless those who seek after Him. He IS Our LOVING God!!! The Law NEVER saved anyone, it simply blesses, reveals and sets apart those who choose to "keep it" (guard it, protected it).
King David LOVED God's Law and longed to understand it more and more, he was a HUGE sinner and he never expected to recieve salvation via his works. He LOVED the Law and treasured it ("kept it") because he knew God's ways were/are Holy, Just and Good.
Can you imagine if the Pslamist had written:
Please...no more law! No more ministry of death!
May it never be, my heart is filled with sadness, to see this written is boggling. Thank goodness King David had a different view...
For anyone who's interested... Read Psalm 119, to reset your viewpoint toward the Law!
And it starts... 1 Blessed are the undefiled in the way,
Who walk in the law of the LORD! 2 Blessed are those who keep His testimonies,
Who seek Him with the whole heart! 3 They also do no iniquity;
They walk in His ways. 4 You have commanded us
To keep Your precepts diligently. 5 Oh, that my ways were directed
To keep Your statutes! 6 Then I would not be ashamed,
When I look into all Your commandments. 7 I will praise You with uprightness of heart,
When I learn Your righteous judgments.
OR, Rest in this....
Please...no more law! No more ministry of death!
Blessings
Rain
Paul tells us Romans 7:12
Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.
Trust God that His Law is not a curse or a ministry of death... Rest in His ways and trust that He knows what's best for us.
__________________ Psalms 119 113 I hate the double-minded,
But I love Your law.
114 You are my hiding place and my shield;
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-------- 136 Rivers of water run down from my eyes,
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Hismessenger,
If your understanding is correct then what does your description reveal to us of the heart and character of God the Father of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob?
Are you saying that God gave Moses a set of Laws that were impossible to "keep" (guard, protect, treasure), to teach us a lesson?
Did He basically doom His people to failure?
And if so, what kind of a Father does that to their kids?
Christ was the "Word" made flesh, Christ lived according to the Law of the Father, He said He could only do what He saw the Father doing. I believe Jesus was God in human form... So if His (Christ's) words are true and all the Father does is in accordance with HIS OWN Law and thus all Jesus can do is obey that Law then why on Earth would the Father or Son come to stand against himself...???
Why would God come in human form to boldly stand contrary to His own self?
Bearing witness against His own character, His own instructions for living?
John 5:19
Then Jesus answered and said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He sees the Father do; for whatever He does, the Son also does in like manner.
Are you saying that Christ came to stand against the commandments of the Father (i.e. himself) and "do away" with that which the Father COMMANDED is ETERNAL, PERPETUAL, EVERLASTING & FOREVER through out the first 5 books of the Bible?
Israel of the Old Testament does give us plenty of examples of "what not to do" their biggest failures were unbelief, distrust and disobedence to God's instruction for living.
I agree with you that salvation only comes by faith and grace but salvation has always come via that avenue , thank goodness for Abraham, David, Ruth, Sarah, Paul, Mary, Adam, Stephen, You and Me.
Grace is not a New Testament, Christ given concept.
The Law was never given to "save" people, it was given to bless, instruct and reveal the ways of the Lord so that we may live according to His ways and not according to our own desires or "good" judgement.
Blessing Rain
__________________ Psalms 119 113 I hate the double-minded,
But I love Your law.
114 You are my hiding place and my shield;
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------- 126 It is time for You to act, O LORD, For they have regarded Your law as void. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
-------- 136 Rivers of water run down from my eyes,
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"Please...no more law! No more ministry of death!"
Who gave the Law? God the Father, right? Our Savior, Our Messiah, the Spirit within... right?
We're called to walk in the Spirit... as Christ walked, His whole life was in accordance with the ways of the Father, i.e. God's Law. Even unto death!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How precious this is people!!!!!
Is the Law which our Holy Father, our Heavenly Creator gave to us through Moses... "a ministry of death"
Jesus lived out His life according to the Law as a ministry of death? Paul lived according to the Law as a ministry of death? Stephen, Mary, King David, Moses, the list goes on and on, they all kept "the Law" a ministry of death?
I can not understand such Theologies. God the Father, loves His people, He does not harm. He does not trick or give His people instructions that will lead them to death. Believe, have Faith that "God's Law" is Holy, Just and Good... It is a gift to be treasured and protected.
Oh to realize and experience that His ways, His paths, His instructions are given... to bless those who seek after Him. He IS Our LOVING God!!! The Law NEVER saved anyone, it simply blesses, reveals and sets apart those who choose to "keep it" (guard it, protected it).
King David LOVED God's Law and longed to understand it more and more, he was a HUGE sinner and he never expected to recieve salvation via his works. He LOVED the Law and treasured it ("kept it") because he knew God's ways were/are Holy, Just and Good.
Can you imagine if the Pslamist had written:
Please...no more law! No more ministry of death!
May it never be, my heart is filled with sadness, to see this written is boggling. Thank goodness King David had a different view...
For anyone who's interested... Read Psalm 119, to reset your viewpoint toward the Law!
And it starts... 1 Blessed are the undefiled in the way,
Who walk in the law of the LORD! 2 Blessed are those who keep His testimonies,
Who seek Him with the whole heart! 3 They also do no iniquity;
They walk in His ways. 4 You have commanded us
To keep Your precepts diligently. 5 Oh, that my ways were directed
To keep Your statutes! 6 Then I would not be ashamed,
When I look into all Your commandments. 7 I will praise You with uprightness of heart,
When I learn Your righteous judgments.
OR, Rest in this....
Please...no more law! No more ministry of death!
Blessings
Rain
Paul tells us Romans 7:12
Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.
Trust God that His Law is not a curse or a ministry of death... Rest in His ways and trust that He knows what's best for us.
I used to be a Jew, born and raised. After that I was an SDA, the logical next "bondage" step.
Since then I've received the resurrected Holy Spirit of Christ Jesus into my heart, baptized into His death and resurrection, and am now of the Sons of God in His New Law of Life and Liberty.
I have nothing more ever again to do with that O.T. law of sin and death.
I have been bought out from under it with a price.
The price of His precious Blood shed, buying me to him from off the "law" slave market.
I now am dead, yet I live, but not I but Christ in me... and every moment is the experience of being perfected and sinless by His Righteous self indwelling me, having fulfilled the O.T. law in His death, and brough Immortality to Light within me.
Delievered from that O.T. Law of sin and death, the "ministration of death" as Paul calls it.
This is the true Gospel.
Having Christ's Holy Spirit now, there is a certain obedience that we sons of God contain that is unique, other-worldly as it were. It is different than what a carnal mind can perceive of or accomplish. That is why you aren't grasping any of this Ranie. For it is the active Spirit of Christ in us that is being obedient to the faith... the phrase is used here for instance...
(Act 6:7) And the word of God increased; and the number of the disciples multiplied in Jerusalem exceedingly; and a great company of the priests were "obedient to the faith".
Previously those priests were trying to "keep the law". But it was impossible. So now, because they repented and were baptized, they experienced the "change in the law" in the receiving of Christ's Holy Spirit into their hearts, and they became "translated" into being "obedient to the faith".
So it's different now, that which had been a mystery before is now revealed out from within us. It is a message of Spiritual indwelling of Christ, and letting Him manifest Himself out from within us.
(Col 1:27) to whom God was pleased to make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
Instead of trying to keep a law written in stone, the New covenant places that law directly into a man's heart. A much greater thing is now occuring. For it is Christ Himself entering into our heart and making His Home within our hearts... which is the means how by which His law of righteousness and life is written there now...
(2Co 3:3) being made manifest that ye are an epistle of Christ, ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in tables that are hearts of flesh.
...no more "attempting" to be obedient to a law written in stone anymore! Yea!! (because I sure can't be obedient to it and neither can you!). But now, by being "obedient to the faith", by the law written in our hearts we are sinless and perfect and righteous in His Love, by which all the law is fulfilled!
(2Co 3:5) not that we are sufficient of ourselves, to account anything as from ourselves; but our sufficiency is from God;
Now we are made righteous by His Glorious self in us... something that following commandments in stone could never accomplish or even compare to.
(2Co 3:9) For if the ministration of condemnation is glory, much rather doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
(Rom 6:17) But thanks be to God, that, whereas ye were servants of sin, ye became obedient from the heart to that form of teaching whereunto ye were delivered;
"Please...no more law! No more ministry of death!"
Who gave the Law? God the Father, right? Our Savior, Our Messiah, the Spirit within... right?
Is the Law which our Holy Father, our Heavenly Creator gave to us through Moses... "a ministry of death"
Jesus lived out His life according to the Law as a ministry of death? Paul lived according to the Law as a ministry of death? Stephen, Mary, King David, Moses, the list goes on and on, they all kept "the Law" a ministry of death?
I can not understand such Theologies.
The Law NEVER saved anyone, it simply blesses, reveals and sets apart those who choose to "keep it" (guard it, protected it).
King David LOVED God's Law and longed to understand it more and more, he was a HUGE sinner and he never expected to recieve salvation via his works. He LOVED the Law and treasured it ("kept it") because he knew God's ways were/are Holy, Just and Good.
Your desire toward our God is notable Rainie. There is a much more perfect way than what you perceive though. I would think you would desire that more perfect way? That is what the Sons of God on this thread are attempting to share with you.
Yes you are right, the law never saved anyone. Neither did it bless anyone, for it cursed them because of their disobedience. That doesn't reflect on God. It reflects on man's inablility to be perfected under that ministration. That is why Paul and the Sons of God refer to it as "the ministration of death".
For one, you need to know that it was not the "father" who gave the law to Moses at Sinai.
He did want to be a father, yes, and have a son, yes. But until then, the "father" didn't exist yet.
The Law was a marriage contract He made with His wife Israel, who broke it on her wedding day, committing adultery with the golden calf.
So in turn, the tables of stone were broken. The tenor of that relationship was then set to be abolished. (Eph 2:15)
She was barren under that law.
So in God's Love and mercy, that old marriage law was to be abolished to make way for the perfect marriage Law in Christ, by which the Promise of the Father would finally be received.
That began on Pentecost upon those in the upper room in Jerusalem who were waiting, as Christ commanded, for the "Promise of the Father".
(Luk 24:49) And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high. (Act 1:4) And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
Which only comes by receiving His Holy Spirit...
(Act 2:33) Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Which did NOT exist before then...
(Joh 7:39) (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
Now we have a Father... (Gal 4:6) And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
God was not a father yet in His O.T.marriage law contract with Israel... His wife was barren. He hadn't yet had a Son.
The Son was a "promise".
"The Promise of the father" was a promise.
(Isa 9:6) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Neither of these things occured until Christ became the "firstborn from the dead". (Rom 1:4) And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
Sonship of Jesus was ONLY by the resurrection from the dead.
Yes, it was a glorious ministry, that O.T. law. But no one could see it, their faces were vailed and their eyes were blind.
David would have been so glad to see this New Marriage Covenant to Israel while in his flesh, for sure! As much as he loved that old one delivered in stone by Moses, every aspect and consideration of it would have faded immediately from his thoughts promptly in the experience of personally knowing Christ in His New Law of Life and Liberty.
You know that is a fact.
Don't you?
(It has for me.)
That's why Paul calls that O.T. law of Moses a "ministration of death". For under that marriage covenant, no one could live, everyone died. His wife was barren.
In Christ, the veil is taken away.
As a man lifts the veil off His wife's face when they become married and she takes His Name, so also Christ lifts the veil off our faces as we lift our heads up and look into His face and Kiss Him.
Then He comes into us, As a Husband does with His New Lawful Bride, and we conceive of His incorruptible seed and bring forth the Son of God from within our body. "Born from above".
Now the ministration of life is totally "revealed" which is MUCH more glorious than that O.T. law could ever even compare to.
I easily can relate to why you can not "understand such theologies".
(1Co 2:7) But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
It is the same reason they crucified Christ and slander against His followers,
(1Co 2:8) Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
This is the condition of those under that O.T. Law, of which David was included...
(1Co 2:9) But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
But there is truly the next level awaiting you dear Rainey... This can also be yours...
(1Co 2:10) But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. (1Co 2:11) For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. (1Co 2:12) Now we have received... the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. (1Co 2:13) Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. (1Co 2:14) But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
And there is only one way to know these things...
(1Co 2:16)...But we have the mind of Christ.
I would counsel you to believe upon Jesus Christ, receive His resurrected Holy Spirit by which His Law of Life and Liberty will shine forth from His engraving of Himself upon your heart.
Then, you will know the blessings of Life that He has brought to Light, in His New Lawful Marriage contract/covenant with the house of Israel
It is a free gift ready for you to receive
Your friend, Son of Israel
2Co 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. 2Co 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: 2Co 3:8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? 2Co 3:9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. 2Co 3:10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth. 2Co 3:11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious. 2Co 3:12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: 2Co 3:13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: 2Co 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. 2Co 3:15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. 2Co 3:16 Nevertheless when it (she) shall turn (her face up) to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away. 2Co 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 2Co 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
I will pose to you the same post as I did to HisMessanger in post #777, please read there for more information.
If God the Father gave a harmful Law, one impossible to keep and fully binding, ultimately dooming anyone who trys to "keep" it.
Then, what does that reveal about the loving, forgiving, merciful, loyal, honest, faithful, perfect Messiah (who is God the Father, the Lawgiver)?
Does God the Father stand oppose to Messiah?
Did Messiah boldly contradict the Eternal Law He Himself gave as Everlasting?
If who God is, is someone, who gives Eternal, Perpetual, Everlasting commands only to pull the carpet out from under His beloved followers and revoke His original declarations... (i.e. Messiah came to abolish the Law, that was previously everlasting)
Then how can we be sure He won't pull out the carpet from under us again in the future. Maybe Salvation via Faith and Grace will be revoked at some point down the road too? If God says something is ETERNAL but then can change His mind or change the Rules then how can we rest safely in WHO HE IS.
If we can't trust God "to keep His word" (i.e. the Law is EVERLASTING) then what on Earth can we trust in?
Where is the consistancy in your understanding?
God breathes LIFE into us, God is ONLY good, He's ONLY honest, He is consistant, He DOES NOT CHANGE! God would never give us instructions that would lead us to Death!!!! It's just not WHO HE IS!
Or, do you believe God who gives LIFE would give us something that would lead us to DEATH?
Blessings Rain
__________________ Psalms 119 113 I hate the double-minded,
But I love Your law.
114 You are my hiding place and my shield;
I hope in Your word. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
------- 126 It is time for You to act, O LORD, For they have regarded Your law as void. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
-------- 136 Rivers of water run down from my eyes,
Because mendo not keep Your law. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
, thank goodness for Abraham, David, Ruth, Sarah, Paul, Mary, Adam, Stephen, You and Me. 
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