Lest we forget was it not Herod (a Jew king who slaughtered babies)? Nothing has changed much since then.
Slight derail but there's no evidence the massacre of innocents every actually occurred.
While I think some of your rhetoric is over zealous, I agree that Israel's policy towards the Palestinians marginalizes and radicalizes them and is no way for peace.
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No the Germans have stopped killing jews since the end of WWII. Israel on the other hand is committing Genocide and continues till today. Israel is a terrorist country. Israel was formed by stealing land from the indigenous peoples. Over 90% of the jews came from Europe! 100% of the Palestinians come from the area where Israel laid claim.
Religion does not sovereignty make.
I do not blame them for hating you so much. Your settlers have wreaked havoc by occupying other peoples land with the pretext that it was promised to them by God!
Lest we forget was it not Herod (a Jew king who slaughtered babies)? Nothing has changed much since then.
Now before you go saying I am anti Semite; let me inform you that I have many Jewish friends and Israelis. There are Israelis in Israel who agree with me and are pro Palestinian and anti war.
If you want to fight Terrorism then STOP CREATING IT!
Germany supports our enemies therefore they are still a threat. As far as the "Israel is a terrorist state" comment is concerned, I would look to Saudi Arabia, North Korea, Iran, Sudan, Syria and Russia for the true definition of a "terrorist state"! As far as to whom the land belongs to, we Jews were their 3000 years ago and were then forced out several times so those Jews comming from Europe had ancentry in Israel. To the degree to which we Jews should take back the answer is simple: all of it just as G-d promised!
There is no "pretext" to the promise G-d laid out in His Torah which is a promise to all of His people forever. I do not recall reading about another people co-owning the land.
What can I say Germany created our terrorism so maybe you should complain to them about it.
The only way to fight terror is with terror.
The only true Jew is one who defends Israel not one who goes around supporting the "rights" of those who would destroy us. So the "I have many Jewish friends" mind set will not work.
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Germany supports our enemies therefore they are still a threat. As far as the "Israel is a terrorist state" comment is concerned, I would look to Saudi Arabia, North Korea, Iran, Sudan, Syria and Russia for the true definition of a "terrorist state"! As far as to whom the land belongs to, we Jews were their 3000 years ago and were then forced out several times so those Jews comming from Europe had ancentry in Israel. To the degree to which we Jews should take back the answer is simple: all of it just as G-d promised!
There is no "pretext" to the promise G-d laid out in His Torah which is a promise to all of His people forever. I do not recall reading about another people co-owning the land.
What can I say Germany created our terrorism so maybe you should complain to them about it.
The only way to fight terror is with terror.
The only true Jew is one who defends Israel not one who goes around supporting the "rights" of those who would destroy us. So the "I have many Jewish friends" mind set will not work.
Genocide is genocide!
Also you will have a hard time convincing any court of law that Palestine is yours because God promised it to you.
Israel has committed atrocious acts against civilians and is a terrorist state if ever there was one.
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Also you will have a hard time convincing any court of law that Palestine is yours because God promised it to you.
Israel has committed atrocious acts against civilians and is a terrorist state if ever there was one.
My job is to live as a Jew not to convince some "secular" world court about my right to the land because I only follow G-d so therefore a secular anti-Jewish court is of no use to me anyway.
Israel is NOT commiting genocide!!!!!!!
It is to bad that the world is not focused on the real genocide in Darfur but no the world has to do what it does best.......cry foul when Israel defends itself.
An atrocious act is when someone walks into a shopping center or onto a bus and blows themselves up killing innocents. That is a war crime not Israel going after Hamas. War is war and civilians die but when people start comparing the Holocaust which took 12 million lives and then turns around and claims that the death of hundreds or even thousands in a war zone is the same thing then it begs the question of the comparison in the first place.
Also if Israel really wanted to commit genocide then there would be no "Palestinians" left and so when Hamas mingles with civilians then what do you expect to happen? Israel is not going to play hide and seek until one of them goes into the open so they can be killed without collateral damage. War is war and must be fought until victory, either them or us.
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My job is to live as a Jew not to convince some "secular" world court about my right to the land because I only follow G-d so therefore a secular anti-Jewish court is of no use to me anyway.
Israel is NOT commiting genocide!!!!!!!
It is to bad that the world is not focused on the real genocide in Darfur but no the world has to do what it does best.......cry foul when Israel defends itself.
An atrocious act is when someone walks into a shopping center or onto a bus and blows themselves up killing innocents. That is a war crime not Israel going after Hamas. War is war and civilians die but when people start comparing the Holocaust which took 12 million lives and then turns around and claims that the death of hundreds or even thousands in a war zone is the same thing then it begs the question of the comparison in the first place.
Also if Israel really wanted to commit genocide then there would be no "Palestinians" left and so when Hamas mingles with civilians then what do you expect to happen? Israel is not going to play hide and seek until one of them goes into the open so they can be killed without collateral damage. War is war and must be fought until victory, either them or us.
Yes and using Phosphor bombs against civilians in one of the most densely populated areas on this planet is defending yourself? You have no right being there. Your army and airforce has killed thousands of children and unarmed civilians. Let us see if your God will protect you when the world has had enough of your warmongering holier than thou attitude. The moment the US decides you are not worth it then It is a certainty that Israel will cease to exist as a state of terror.
The Holocaust victims are not the same thing as the people who go around killing civilians and stealing their land.
It is a preety lame thing to say when you compare the Nazi victims to the few thousands of civilians Israel has killed in one month alone. What does it matter how many you have murdered.
And to think that once I supported Israel
Not anymore
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The moment the US decides you are not worth it then It is a certainty that Israel will cease to exist as a state of terror.
Lol, if that day ever came it would be the same day Israel annihilated the entire middle east. It would have no choice but to use its strength before it eroded. Not doing so would mean destruction at the hands of it's neighbors.
Think about it for a minute. Do you really think Israel is going to go gently into the night?
Yes and using Phosphor bombs against civilians in one of the most densely populated areas on this planet is defending yourself? You have no right being there. Your army and airforce has killed thousands of children and unarmed civilians. Let us see if your God will protect you when the world has had enough of your warmongering holier than thou attitude. The moment the US decides you are not worth it then It is a certainty that Israel will cease to exist as a state of terror.
The Holocaust victims are not the same thing as the people who go around killing civilians and stealing their land.
It is a preety lame thing to say when you compare the Nazi victims to the few thousands of civilians Israel has killed in one month alone. What does it matter how many you have murdered.
And to think that once I supported Israel
Not anymore
No your right the victims of the Holocaust would not dare defend themselves against an aggresor which the "Palestinians" clearly are.
If Israel ever faced complete destruction that would mean total war and the use of nuclear weapons in which Israel would nuke every single country that killed Jews. So don't think that it will be a happy day if that were to ever happen, G-d forbid!
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No your right the victims of the Holocaust would not dare defend themselves against an aggresor which the "Palestinians" clearly are.
If Israel ever faced complete destruction that would mean total war and the use of nuclear weapons in which Israel would nuke every single country that killed Jews. So don't think that it will be a happy day if that were to ever happen, G-d forbid!
When the USA can no longer prop up Israel, we will see who does what.
LOL......the Palestinians are living under an illegal occupation. They have the legal right to fight said occupation.
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When the USA can no longer prop up Israel, we will see who does what.
Indeed. The arab world had better pray, pray, pray that the US supports Israel for a very long time. The moment that support ends spells the end of the arab world. Within days.
I must say that the "Palestinians" are in no way similar to Native Americans mainly because most Native Americans respect life to much to go and commit a suicide/homicide attack. Native Americans are better then that.
I guess human sacrifice en mass wasn't that bad. Or scalping . . . Or rape . . . Perhaps it is not enough to hold your hand to such references, but also remind you that reservations are some of the most unpleasant places to live (rape is also a crime in most places and morally unacceptable, if I am not being clear). Or that it is very distasteful to blanket an ethnicity silenced by blatant power abuse for the sake of justifying equally bitter conflict.
This decision that it is acceptable, or a doctrine that civilians (children, please?) must die and are valid targets regardless of the net-gain is juvenile. Any fool could massacre a bunch of unarmed people in peace time, it just sounds better to the voting bloc when it's a time of "war".
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