There is something you can begin to do which will help you immensely and that is to say a prayer for protection, guidance and healing each night before you go to bed.
Get yourself a bible and keep it permanently on your bedside table. Make a wholehearted commitment each night to go to bed early, read 4 chapters of the NT and say your prayer. This amounts to committing 30 mins a day to God, which is not a big deal, esp since your life is at stake.
You have to also understand that God does not immediately cleanse us of our sins. If that was true, there would be no need for faith, only belief. As it is, every man is purified, justified and healed by faith, and faith is demonstrated by a commitment to walk with God each day and remain in his word each day.
The devil is busy destroying your life, as he was destroying mine. The visions you are having are part of his WILES (methods used to deceive) & strategy to confuse you and make you delay in doing what you need to do, which is to walk in the armour of God each day.
Unfortunately if you don't ACT or put your faith into practice, you will be destroyed and that is what is busy happening.
Sin in a person's soul, acts like a curse on their lives. So much pain, so much suffering, but you have brought it upon yourself and you must take responsibility for your own actions and behaviour. If you side with the devil, he will take you down.
These are harsh words, but I can assure you, I have been through worse than what you are talking about, I was even having dreams where black hands were coming up from under my bed and trying to rip me out of my body in the middle of the night.
God is calling you to begin walking with him for the healing and deliverance of your soul and that is to be lived out from day to day.
With this book you will learn how to effectively come against your adversary and also understand how he is attacking you through dreams and visions.
"Secrets of Spiritual Warfare" by Jessie Penn Lewis
If you contact me I can help you and teach you what to do. I am currently ministering deliverance to various people if you are sincere and want to get through "fiery trial" contact me. I have experiential knowledge which you can test for yourself.
Make it into a daily habit, like brushing your teeth and I can assure you, you will begin to notice changes happening.
Send me a message and we can chat via skype, yahoo or msn.
Hey Palatones, thank you for your words, however this got to me:
"These are harsh words, but I can assure you, I have been through worse than what you are talking about, I was even having dreams where black hands were coming up from under my bed and trying to rip me out of my body in the middle of the night."
what makes you think you can judge between us who has been through worse? I would like to ask do you know me? do you know my story, I have not told you everything else?
who told you you have been through more? have you walked in my shoes?
furthermore:
"Sin in a person's soul, acts like a curse on their lives. So much pain, so much suffering, but you have brought it upon yourself and you must take responsibility for your own actions and behaviour. If you side with the devil, he will take you down."
who told you I brought this upon myself? thanks for tellng me it is all my fault? I quite hear that all day long, how i can never do everything right, and its always my fault. I live up to what i do wrong, yes there is a human part of me, like all of us that does not. But people always say how i am honest and come forth and say sorry. I am concerned with the wrong I do, its always on mind, sometimes its OCD, but I care.
This is what gets me, is this stuff, you sound honest, and yes you are, you speak good words, however, there is something else in what you speak that is not right.
I would like to ask, who told you my story? how can you judge? We are all responible for our actions. However, we ar human, and we are weak, does not the bible says God understands are weaknesses? Have you ever meet a mentally ill or physically challenged person. There are peopel out there, who by their pain NOT of their own doing, do wrong cause of their pain, its not rignt, their over drinking, addictions are because of PAIN. What do you think God the Father sees? someone willingfuly sinning? or someone who does not know Him sins because of their pain, their human. Does He have anger or compassion on them? Yes He will deliver them, out of compassion and show them that they dont need their sin, He hates it, but He understands we are human
please before you say its my fault, I have done things that ARE my fault. But dont ever say to me, that its all my fault. not as you have, YOU do not know me. I know what I do, alot of it, is because of the trauma and pain caused to me, my actions and sins I do are wrong, I will firstly admit, that. HOWEVER, its God's strength that will overcome them, helping me not to sin, because I tried to do it, and I couldnt.
I realize Christians try to force or say STOP SINNING. you know what, the devil tells me to stop sinning, BUT you know what, thats him trying to make me stop sinning on my own strength..BOOM not possible. I sin more, more fear put on me, fear dread of GOd, I sin more!
its God's strength that i overcome not mine!
I have been through legalism and laws, been through my own effort, I cant. I know whats its like to be left with no strength, no will, trauma such confusion, I wake up in pain, im physically challenged.mentally challenged..spiritually raped! so confused I do not know right and wrong, the ever thought of reading the bible brings panic attacks..that whenever I rad the bible, it causes pain!
its so easy to say what someone should do, its easy, i have told myself its easy just read the bible. spend time with God...what happens when someones so traumatized by God(actually deception)..they have a warped image of him..they think He is a monster, the very thought of God caues pain trauma attacks..the thought of obeying Him causes panic attacks, His voice, His love, etc brings panic attacks
its so easy to just do it. YES i know I need to do it, each day I am wiling more to do it. and I will. Apart of me is reallizing I am protected by His love, This will take time to overcome, I am realziing you knwo what, its not about me, what I can do, HIs patience is changing me, I sin everyday, but God loves me and forgives me, I will stop sinning, but By Him not me. I think I wil just rest, and stop trying on my own righteous to hold me securre, because I cant, no one can
so please before you Judge, or make remarks, think, I heard so many people say these things. Yes you are right, but there is something else there my friend, that is not.
Wow Honeycomb son,
Great post,
mercy and grace heals not condemnation and judgement.I too have had much judgement and blame for what happened to me.I would sit and look at many other people and still do,thinking am I such a worse evil person than them,that this aweful tormenting terror and pain has come on me.Have I lived such an evil life,am I evil,this has not happened to all these other people so I must be evil.Many others would seem to confirm this by saying similiar things to me as has been said to you,well meaning of course but very painful.I have been so terrified of God,worship music causing such terror grief and trauma, terror of God, terror of reading the bible ,though I have found some bible verses that are helping me now.I have been blamed scrutinized,judged,misunderstood,deemed week,told to repent,treated coldy,rejected,etc over what has happened to me.I seem to be trying to get hold of a part of myself,telling me to hope,to hold on to Jesus and He will pull me through.I find most people have no concept of what I am going through.The 24/7 terror and torment and pain and fear of being evil til my brain is almost shut down and my health suffering.I lost my job long time ago over this and all my hobbies have become meaningless.I am weak,drained and exhausted from all the trauma and grief.You are right the devil wants us to try to get over this in our own strength, but we cant.Some of the things I have wrote to you are things I have been saying to myself trying to get them into my spirit.I too have wanted someone to understand.I am happy you stood up for yourself despite your suffering.I know Palatones means well.Yet I agree there is something not right,something that can leave a person feeling scared and condemned ,something that can leave a person feeling I have not stepped up to the plate,then dread,then more dread,maybe I will never be able to step up to the plate.Something not right there.I agree.How are you doing?I hope getting stronger,more hope,
take care annrobert
Palatones,
I am hoping you can answer some questions for me.I am going through some kind of attack and people have suggested similiar things to me,only it has confused me and left me feeling hopeless and condemned.Maybe if I understood some things clearer it could help me out.These are the honest type questions that have gone through my mind when I have been told these type of things.The people telling me these type of things will not answer the questions.They claim I know the answers which I do not.They tell me repent, which I have ,which then leads me to believe I have repented wrong such as worldly sorrow instead of godly sorrow.Leading to more dread grief and condemnation.They do not seem to understand how terrifying it is to try to pray when you are frozen with terror that Jesus has left you for backsliding or something?I wonder if you can answer these questions please?
"You have to also understand that God does not immediately cleanse us of our sins"
If we confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.When does Jesus forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness? and does He forgive some peoples sins quicker than others?and how does a person know when their sins have been forgiven and cleansed so that they can come boldly to the throne of grace and receive grace and mercy in time of need?
"Unfortunately if you don't ACT or put your faith into practice, you will be destroyed and that is what is busy happening."
Will just our physical life be destroyed or our spiritual life as well?because this thought is very frightening .How do you find faith that seems to be lost?
How does a person generate faith or can they?
Is faith generated or a gift of God?
How does a person act on faith,especially if it seems broken?
If Jesus will never leave us or forsake us ,are we still fighting for our lives?
Does Jesus leave us and forsake us for any reason?
If it involves praying and reading the bible what if we have already been doing that despite the terror and dread and pain?
"Sin in a person's soul, acts like a curse on their lives. So much pain, so much suffering, but you have brought it upon yourself and you must take responsibility for your own actions and behaviour. If you side with the devil, he will take you down."
do chrisitians and unbelievers have sin in thier soul?or is the believers soul washed clean?
Do all people with sin in their soul get attacked like this or just some people?
I realize all people have sorrows and trials because we live in a sinful world and because we sin,even good christians .Yet this kind of deep 24/7 unrelenting terror ,anguish of soul,confusion,torment etc to this extent hits very few people,christian or not,the people who get hit with this,are they more sinful or evil than others since they brought it on themselves?
What about the other people who sin and are not attacked ?how come they did not bring it on themselves?What is the difference?
if they did bring it on themsleves,how come most other people do not have this type of opression to this extent or length of time?
Are all the people this does not happen to less sinful?
does God have more mercy and forgiveness on some while remaining angry and punishing to others?
Does God forgive and protect some while not forgiving and protecting others.
Are most christians living without sin and so are not attacked while the few that are attacked are worse sinners?
What type of sins bring this opression or attack on?
does everyone who commits these sins get attacked this way?why or why not?
What should a person do to take responsiblity for it besides confess and repent for it?
I do not think people who are going through this are siding with the devil and if they are ,certainly not intentionally,how would they stop?What could they be doing that is making them side with the devil because I am sure they want to be against the devil?If they are told they are siding with the devil and they do not want to be siding with the devil,and definately do not want the devil to bring them down,what a terrifying thought for someone already terrified,how do they stop siding with the devil?
What are they doing specifically to side with the devil?
Is this some type of sin that is worse than the average christian that is not being brought down?
If a person were struggling with a sin say smoking for example,how could they stop in the shape they are in?
Since the joy of the Lord is our strength and their joy is gone?
We can do nothing without Jesus.
How come other smokers are not going through this?
Does fear or kindness lead us to repentance?
does fear or forgiveness set us free?
does law or grace make us love?
These are just some of the questions that have gone through my mind many times ?
I hope you are willing to answer them.I really want and need some answers.
God Bless You
annrobert
Thanks, Annrobert, your words touch me, your encouragment brought me some joy
what you wrote, I can know say we understand each other in certain level, I too live with terror/torment all day long, for years, I honestly say, in some level, I dont know happyness, nor what truly is good, so much confusion.
in someway, I know I am not to look back what has happened in the past, However it happened so fast and blindly, I find myself today so hurt, to such a deep level, I am honestly a different person, a seared member that is just living, not with life, but something else. I too want someone to truly understand, I keep looking for help or something, people gave me some great help and advice, yet I am still looking, and I dont know what for..
I want someone to know how painful it is to live each day, like it was hell, I want someone to know, how much it hurts to feel raped inside, manipluated, controled inside, and think it is God, and it all relates to the Unpardonable sin and The Holy Spirit, when you know its of the Devil, yet through it alll, you cant say for sure, because of all the dreams visions, understandings, what you hear and see, I cant explain this in words, its not mental pain per say, but a deep angiush coming from deep inside, soul or even spirit. I cannot even go a day at times, where i go into the bathroom at work, and almost collapse..from a emotional spiritual torement..
I keep posting, I dont know what to look for. its not that easy to say go to God, trust Him. etc. I have done that..I am doing that to a certain level. I feel stuck and lost..
there are so many things blocking me to God, i want someone to know its not easy as you think just to say: "go to God read the bible speak the word of God" etc etc..I hve done all those..yet here I am...yet Here I am..
its no fun..when inside your voice yells to Jesus: "Never touch me again" or "Do not change or do anything to me inside without me giving you permission"
I know I am to look forward, ont look behind, but what do I look forward too, you canot trust someone unless you have a reason too, its true, you have to know someone in order to get a better trust in them. that is the same with God
yet..I cannot..in so many ways..I have been manipluated and controled..by Christianity and God..sigh..words good words..mean bad to me..I cannot understsand what love of good is...to me..its all evil.a way to gain control and hurt over me...yet people say of God says its good and love
I am trapped so many ways and levels...not having the control to stop sinning..because of pain..sucks..I sin because i know not what I do..and i hurt so much...and Christians keep hurting me with their so called love..its like a evil magic..it looks good..tastes good..yet it in the end..brings nothing more then fruit of death and decay..words that sound like life..yet bring the after taste of demonic doctrines..that not only go against what God truly is..but destroy someone in the spiritual level..
you know what..the more time passes..the more angry I become..the more I change into something I have no control over..and I honestly say that..I try in my might not to do wrong..yet somehow this false religion..dreams visions..etc my experience with Christianity..turns me into something that brings me fear..torement..pain..sigh
Brother you don't have to do anything and that is the beauty of the gospel!! JESUS has already done everything there is to be done to get you free.. HE said.. the truth will set you free.. You just have to accept that it is done as HE said..
JESUS is the truth brother.. HE has come that you might have life... but not just life.. but abundant life!!
HE is the life and the truth and the way out of this situation..
If you were in a cell.. trapped.. and you hated it.. and someone said to you.. here is the door.. wide open.. you just have to walk through and you are out of there.. what would you do?? You would not just stand there and look at the bars.. at the confinement.. at the suffering you have gone through.. and how horrible it is for you.. YOU would walk out.. you would not look back.. and keep walking..
Brother.. freedom is yours in CHRIST.. take HIM at HIS word.. Say LORD I believe.. help thou my unbelief.. I don't feel free.. I don't look free.. but I am going to believe that YOU have set me free.. free from this life I have lived.. free from the fears and frustration and anger.. free from whatever it is that keeps you bound... JESUS I believe in YOU and that YOU are with me always.. YOU have forgiven me.. YOU have given me freedom from all that binds me.. I give my whole self to YOU to be my LORD and SAVIOUR.. and I take that abundant life that YOU offer.. and I enjoy it now and forever more.. and every day forward I am going to learn all there is to learn about YOU and what YOU have promised me.. JESUS I am free..
"So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed!" John 8:36
HoneyComb Son,
when I read your post tonight I felt overwhelming compassion,and then the very next thought in my mind was wow,how much more compassion Jesus feels towards you.Yes we have both been very aquainted with torment and dread and condemnation.But this will not last.HoneyComb,it is so very natural to feel anger when in prolonged torment and agony of spirit and feeling helpless.Jesus understands that.
quote"its no fun..when inside your voice yells to Jesus: "Never touch me again" or "Do not change or do anything to me inside without me giving you permission"
HoneyComb when a cat or dog is very hurt and a person comes to help them and they fear touch for the pain,they may whimper,or bark or growl or snap at us or scratch us out of fear of pain.That is why sometimes people may fear God and not want Him to touch them ,they may fear pain or rejection or things they do not even understand.Jesus knows this too.Jesus comes to heal,yet sometimes people fear.
No matter what your mind tells you or thinks remember this ,you have been suffering and in torment for too long to trust what is going on inside,too much terror,torment,confusion,false religion,dreams and visions,too much deception altogether.I am having to tell myself I must not trust myself,I must not trust my tormented mind,I have had way too much confusion and deception to trust my mind.
Jesus is the way the truth and the Life.Jesus alone is truth,Jesus alone can be trusted.I know and understand this is not easy .We need to understand grace and mercy in order to trust Jesus,we will feel safe when we get a grasp of His powerful tenderness.Jesus is meek and lowly in heart ,Jesus says take my yoke upon you and learn of me for my yoke is easy and my burden is light and ye shall find rest for your soul.
To where else can we go ,Jesus alone has the words of eternal life.
He says I Am the Resurrection and the Life.
He that believeth in me hath everlasting life.
Jesus did not say he that has everything figured out has everlasting life,but he that believeth on Me hath everlasting life.
HoneyComb Son,you say you are becoming something you have no control over,I had some fears this type,you are holding on for dear life,scared, and trying to fight in your own strength.Yet we do not have to be strong,we can come to Jesus as little children,we are weak but Jesus is strong,we can rest in Jesus,who does have the strength.
If we are drowning anyway why not just relax and let Jesus strong and powerful arms carry us,what choice do we have if we are drowning .Jesus has the words of eternal life.Since we are drowning anyway we might as well let Jesus catch us and He will.Jesus is not waiting for you to get strong enough ,he is not waiting for you find a way out of this mess,he is not waiting for you to overcome anger or anything else.You are already in his protection,You just need to realize it,now your mind may be full of fear and confusion and torment and deception.This can and will be overcome,nothing is impossible for Jesus.Jesus said come to the water and freely drink.We can relax,
I know the torment seems insurmountable,I know the fear seems like it is too much of a stronghold,I know the confusion seems too much to overcome and the agony too unbearable.Jesus knows all this and is not holding it against you.Nothing is impossible for Jesus.
The bible states some truths we can count on.
Jesus is meek,
Jesus longs to gather us under his wings like a mother hen does her chicks.
Jesus is truth
He that believeth in Jesus has everlasting life.
Jesus saves to the uttermost.
Jesus blood washes away our sin.
Jesus is a Saviour.
nothing is impossible for Jesus.
Jesus mercy is new every morning.
I prayed tonight, Jesus I believe, please help my unbelief.
Jesus forgives sin
Jesus is compassionate and moved with compassion
Jesus came to heal the broken hearted
Jesus came to set the captive free,he did not tell the captive to set themself free
these are acts of love
this is someone you can trust
Jesus's power and love and tenderness and care ,his almighty power and strength comes to us in an invisible and quiet and gentle way,yet with great power on our behalf to heal,Jesus comes with an overcoming love and power to deliver and heal,
we do not see This power in visions and dreams.Jesus Almighty and overcoming power is quiet and gentle ,yet mighty to save.We put our hope in Jesus as He alone has the words of eternal life.We do not need to muster up some huge faith,or strength.Just a decision to want faith,just a decision to want Jesus.we put our hope in our merciful Redeemer who saves to the uttermost.nothing is impossible for Jesus.I know what terror of the unpardonable sin is like.hell on earth.It is not true,you would not be wanting help ,if that were the case.Jesus will free us from that fear as well.Honeycomb the devil wants to destroy us,to destroy our faith ,to make us think we are evil bad hopeless and without a Saviour on our side,this is all not true.The devil wants us to think we are too bad too messed up, too late , it is not true.the devil wants us to think we cannot trust our Creator with our lives and souls,but we can. Jesus is mighty to save.Please keep reading those scriptures I put on that other post for you before as they are helping me much and I hope they begin to get into your soul and help you.Jesus is on your side Honeycomb and the devil is against you.Anything that makes you not trust Jesus is not true, and anything that makes you feel hopeless is not true.These scriptures I wrote down tell us what Jesus nature is about, and Jesus just wants us to come to Him for rest and healing with hope in Him , even if we feel scared and even with our doubts,come just as we are like a child.HoneyComb you are very precious to Jesus,He will never leave you or forsake you.You are a special person and Jesus is with you and I see so much good in you.Remember Jesus is the most safest place on earth.I am trying to learn these things myself.Jesus Bless You honeyComb, He is taking care of you,you belong to Jesus and He is always on your side no matter what.When the enemy comes in like a flood the Lord lifts up a standard against him.everyday ask Jesus to help you ,He is the Mighty Counsellor,and He cares for you.I hope this helps some.
take care
annrobert
You have been posting a long time, five years, and you are still struggling with broken-heart and mind.
HE came to heal the broken-hearted, deliver them from evil, and to set the captives free.
I have read through your posts, and am going to comment on them one by one.
First Posting: Hey Im back again, I know even though I may never change and always come back and nothing changes I have to try The reason why you haven’t changed, is because you need personal help, someone you can speak to verbally. Can that happen?
I want to open up and pray for healing for a shattered heart and a mind that hurts me so much. When we have a shattered heart, there are many reasons, and I pray that I can be of some help to you.
I can feel the pain yell at me from my heart, it hurts so much and my mind the way the thoughts happen and my logic and eccense, I can feel its stabbing pain because of OCD and guilt, and right and wrong. Do you fully understand how OCD works?
When guilt, and shame raises its head, it comes from Satan and his forces.
Is there something you did that made you feel guilty and to be “double-minded”?
I really wish someone could understand How I feel, I really wish I can.. my mind condemns me for everything I do, there is no joy, even if I do right even if I do wrong I do understand how you feel, and when our carnal mind (the brain) is still conformed to the world, then it’s impossible to transform and renew it, because once that happens then you spiritual mind (the heart) will be healed.
You need “inner healing”, and that can only come about when you are able to share your hurts, offences, resentfulness, anger, bitterness, trauma, and abuse.
By not working through all of those things, then the struggle will not be overcomed or conquered.
I dont know if this makes sense, But I wish i can sin so I can be free!! that is how i feel:S i know its wrong, but its honest, so much legalism built in mind, i have to be free When we say things like that, is because we are hurting, hurting from other abuse and our own abuse.
There are many things we do in life that are not good, and as much as we forgive, we can’t seem to forgive ourself.
Have you read any books on setting yourself free?
I suggest books written by Neil Anderson will be helpful.
there are addictions in my self, that I ask for healing, that i ask for knowledge and light, and to be free from. When we are addicted to things, then we need personal counselling to be set free of these captivities. They all become strongholds that are controlled by many strongmen, Satan’s forces.
more important i ask for a change of heart, I ask for this one thing I know I need with God, a revelation of Him , a revelation of Him, to Know Him, a miracle, a shifting of heart. I ask for a prayer to want to change to get better, cause of pain i dont..i hurt because of that When we come to our Lord Jesus Christ, we are no longer conformed to the world, and it’s our own responsibility to transform and renew our minds (carnal and spiritual).
And this can only happen through good foundation in His Word.
Second Posting: My mind is hurting alot of me, I feel spiritually raped inside, like something has gone inside me my soul, and heart, and changed me to something I do not want, like forced desires on me that I do not want, make me like things I did not ask for. I feel controlled inside, and it hurts me so, I put it on God, because it is so confusing to me, somehow I feel it is like Him, but then I feel this bad way, raped controlled, like these desires are from Him, and I dont know. I feel angry and hurt, but that is one part of the mess. My dear friend, your hurting is caused through spiritual consequences.
If you feel that you are being spiritually raped, then there are things in your past life that you need to attend to.
You need to work through all those things that have consequences.
Have you ever dabbled in any practices of the powers of darkness, such as Ouija board, witchcraft, Satanism, etc?
Hi brother.. you are going to get there.. I just know it!! Believing for you for that breakthrough.. JESUS is so close to you.. with HIS arms opened wide..
I answer some of your questions, yes I have been through many deliverance type things. where I would renounce lies practices habits what I was involved in etc. and I have affirmed truth over and over..in fact I hve done this for years..I have come to the conclusion that pretty much ill never be free if i keep looking to what lies or what I did what I was involved in etc. I have done this till I was blue in my face. Yes i Believe that to be true.we need to renounce certain practices and lies in our life..however not what I was taught and shown, its just another tool Satan uses to keep people looking at themselves and keeping them from any joy in their life, heck its like legalism, renounce this, cant be apart of that etc etc..no freaking joy in life, when ya keep worrying about what is witchcraft and of the devil..been there done that..
Look, the best way I can say it is like this, the whole Christianity thing I was involved with, the believers the church, I just feel like I was involved in a cult, with false teachings and doctrines, I feel brainwashed to think and feel this way about God and His word, yet the fruit of it..just causes me confusion and death, and i know intill my heart can see what is true and what is a lie from all of this junk, then I know I am going to struggle
BUT from this all, this experience this brainwashing or whatever, I am not sure if what I was taught was true, All I know is that I lost all desire to be with God, to follow Him or love Him..cause I dont want too in all true..freaking hate Christianity and what it represents..The reason I come back here, is maybe that deep feeling that I have in me, that shows me all this cool stuff in nature and what it means to be human, this small thing inside me that I could never see from God, because all I learned and what God was and is..Maybe that small part is of God, and that I want, yet intill I see that is of God truly, I will struggle.
that small part is what I keep coming here, cause maybe it is true. I doubt cause I never see it amongst my own brethren, and I am fed up with legalism and laws and rules that put people back into bondage, fed up with fear the torement Christianity brings int he name of God, its like everyone thinkgs they are God's right hand man words from God themselves, Yes we can be that, but peopel need to realize maybe they are not so high and mighty that maybe their words are NOT from The Lord, which spirit is it from?
I know in the future I will post threads on this forum freaking telling people how they hurting others in the name of God. SOMETIMES YOU DO MORE HARM THEN GOOD!
others may say well you could offend people, its not what they believe. WELL SORRY! I DONT KNOW THE TRUTH BUT I CAN SEE YOU DONT EITHER! maybe I should step on some toes and stand up to hypocrites who think their words are life, but really came from the devil himself.
sigh, some believers need to be slapped. ITS ALL ABOUT LOVE! GET IT!! not hidden words, nor formula, no saying God wants good for us BUT..BUT there he could use pain or hurt you for His glory..who believes that twisted crap
anyway, All I ask is not to be judged or condemned with nice twisted words that sound like love and grace..
anyway, I truly thank you all for those with kind and encouraging words and God bless you all!
and God bless you all! 
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