The ironies of Hamas & the Arab world in the current conflict...
What I cannot understand is that the entire Arab world is very quick to condemn Israel when they attack the Palestinians ( and not because Israel is bored and has nothing to do, they are given pretty good reason ), but when things cool down you don't see or hear much from the Arab world concerning the Palestinians ( or the rest of the world for that matter! ). Yes, here and there someone will quickly voice an opinion, but that is it.
I do not like seeing women and children bloodied on TV, but take into consideration that it was the PALESTINIAN PEOPLE who voted Hamas into the position of leadership - they didn't just prance in there one day and sat on the throne. And now the very people who the Palestinians voted for (Hamas) are using them as human shields!!! How's that for effective covernment and public ignorance?!!
And not thinking of what is best for the voting public's well being, the Hamas government is stiff necked and instead of saying:''OK stop, our civillians are dying'', they blatantly carry on, and the joke is that they started it all!! They place their own pride above the lives of women and children. Shame on them!! Shame!!
What part of this whole sick internal situation doesn't make sense to the world?
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What I cannot understand is that the entire Arab world is very quick to condemn Israel when they attack the Palestinians ( and not because Israel is bored and has nothing to do, they are given pretty good reason ), but when things cool down you don't see or hear much from the Arab world concerning the Palestinians ( or the rest of the world for that matter! ). Yes, here and there someone will quickly voice an opinion, but that is it.
The Arab world isn't united, and many Arab countries use the Palestinians as political tools, and don't actually care too much about the Palestinians themselves.
I do not like seeing women and children bloodied on TV, but take into consideration that it was the PALESTINIAN PEOPLE who voted Hamas into the position of leadership - they didn't just prance in there one day and sat on the throne.
The majority of Palestinians voted in Hamas because the other party, Fatah, was very corrupt and Hamas provides the impoverished Palestinians with many social services.
And now the very people who the Palestinians voted for (Hamas) are using them as human shields!!! How's that for effective covernment and public ignorance?!!
Where else are the militant rocket-launchers supposed to launch from? I don't think you should target civilians at all, but if you're going to launch rockets it's kind of hard to find a place in a densely populated strip of land that isn't an easy target for Israeli planes.
And not thinking of what is best for the voting public's well being, the Hamas government is stiff necked and instead of saying:''OK stop, our civillians are dying'', they blatantly carry on, and the joke is that they started it all!! They place their own pride above the lives of women and children. Shame on them!! Shame!!
What part of this whole sick internal situation doesn't make sense to the world?
The average Gazan probably has little hope. While Hamas' violent wing doesn't seem to be getting results, even if rockets were to stop Gaza would stay a blockaded and destitute territory with few friends.
I hear ya... but you wont get much sympathy around here - no matter how obvious it is that hamas is responsible for the turmoil in Gaza.
Yeah, I mean there are actions Israel is rightly criticized on... But all these pro-palestinian folks just materialized out of thin air and they completely fail to acknowledge any of the bad things hamas has done to instigate the conflict.
Both sides are guilty of plenty, but I consider Israel to be simply responding to the actions of Hamas in the case of the Gaza incursion. They'll be going balls to the wall soon, I've been watching the live web stream at work and home from time to time.. IDF has been buttering up the outskirts of Hamas territory destroying fuel and supply depots, because they will be taking infantry with air support in, as Armor will not help them in the cities.
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All good points, PLATZAPS, thank you, but on this one:
"Where else are the militant rocket-launchers supposed to launch from? I don't think you should target civilians at all, but if you're going to launch rockets it's kind of hard to find a place in a densely populated strip of land that isn't an easy target for Israeli planes."
I think number one was to not launch them at all. On the border where the nonsense started there were no civilians. Besides, when the UN school was almost bombed, the UN was infuriated with Israel - what wasn't taken into account was the fact that there were militants next to the school, KNOWING that Israel would bomb such targets, so why cower there if you know what's going to happen? You have hundreds of buildings in gaza, why hide there?
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I think number one was to not launch them at all. On the border where the nonsense started there were no civilians. Besides, when the UN school was almost bombed, the UN was infuriated with Israel - what wasn't taken into account was the fact that there were militants next to the school, KNOWING that Israel would bomb such targets, so why cower there if you know what's going to happen? You have hundreds of buildings in gaza, why hide there?
Because Hamas knew Israeli wouldn't bomb U.N. building. If you were at so-called war, wouldn't you do the same? Its like hiding behind Red Cross and Israeli shoots the Red Cross medics treating soldiers who would later fight again.
And not thinking of what is best for the voting public's well being, the Hamas government is stiff necked and instead of saying:''OK stop, our civillians are dying'', they blatantly carry on, and the joke is that they started it all!! They place their own pride above the lives of women and children. Shame on them!! Shame!!
What part of this whole sick internal situation doesn't make sense to the world?
From media so far, I don't see Palestinians saying "stop war." The reason is...Palestinians rarely have any voice. In West Bank, there is no voice of Palestinians. There is no freedom. There is occupation, colonization, and assimilation of Palestinian population. Negotiating with Israel is stupid, dumb, and ignorant. Why do I say this? First, Israeli government has no intention of letting go of Palestinians. Its government wants full control over West Bank and much of its valuable resources. It burns the toils of Palestinian farmers and continues to do so this day. If you were both religious & nationalistic, what would you do? Rocket firing, resisting, and fighting back because they are being violated anyways and anyhow. As well, Israeli government reacts in such a way that dissolves social conscience between Israeli population & Palestinian population. Once there is a retaliation from Palestinians (or extremist group), Israel retaliates as Old Testmant states, "Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth." Problem is, its more like, "Eye for fourteen hundred eyes and a tooth for fourteen hundred teeth." As a human & concious being aware of lives of each individual U.N set of to protect, Israeli policy is both insulting to civilized nations of the West and religious communities of the East.
I don't live in Israel, as you might or might not. However, unless you free Palestinians or grant them political autonomy and united West Bank & Gaza Strip, there will always be extremists. There will always be rockets flying over your country. There will always be suicide bombers.
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Israel broke the ceasefire last november when the IDF entered gaza and killed 6 hamas members.
And when hamas fights back (I don't condone killing civilians by either side) They're expected to writhe on the ground shouting "Oh please don beat me massa, don beat thes tiahd ol' bahdy, massa!"
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What I cannot understand is that the entire Arab world is very quick to condemn Israel when they attack the Palestinians ( and not because Israel is bored and has nothing to do, they are given pretty good reason ), but when things cool down you don't see or hear much from the Arab world concerning the Palestinians ( or the rest of the world for that matter! ). Yes, here and there someone will quickly voice an opinion, but that is it.
I do not like seeing women and children bloodied on TV, but take into consideration that it was the PALESTINIAN PEOPLE who voted Hamas into the position of leadership - they didn't just prance in there one day and sat on the throne. And now the very people who the Palestinians voted for (Hamas) are using them as human shields!!! How's that for effective covernment and public ignorance?!!
And not thinking of what is best for the voting public's well being, the Hamas government is stiff necked and instead of saying:''OK stop, our civillians are dying'', they blatantly carry on, and the joke is that they started it all!! They place their own pride above the lives of women and children. Shame on them!! Shame!!
What part of this whole sick internal situation doesn't make sense to the world?
Israel never lifted the blockade, despite the effort Hamas made to keep the area at peace.
Israel never lifted the blockade, despite the effort Hamas made to keep the area at peace.
The leaders of Hamas call for the killing of Jews and the destruction of Israel. They are branded a terrorist organisation by most of the nations of the world.
Even if a peaceful gesture is made by Hamas, however you want to define THAT coming from them, the couple of vigilantes on the border fire rockets into Israel. Hamas has no control over the couple of guys who fly off the handle despite what the leadership decides. This was the same problem Arafat had.
So where do you get and how do you define ''effort Hamas made to keep... peace''? It is a contradiction in terms.
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Israel broke the ceasefire last november when the IDF entered gaza and killed 6 hamas members.
And when hamas fights back (I don't condone killing civilians by either side) They're expected to writhe on the ground shouting "Oh please don beat me massa, don beat thes tiahd ol' bahdy, massa!"
The same is EXACTLY true for Israel in this conflict. When Hamas BREAKS A CEASEFIRE and kills Israeli civillians, do you expect Israel to sit back and say ''Oh well, you know, that's Hamas for ya!''?
After months of being patient and exercising restraint, while repeatedly being slapped in the face, any nation can only take as much.
I do not bear immediate knowledge of the insident you are refering to - IDF entering gaza, but one thing I do know: Israeli soldiers have NEVER crossed the border into Gaza and killed Hamas militants just because they were bored. There was ALWAYS a good reason given by Hamas, a.k.a. provocation.
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