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21st February 2009, 09:39 AM
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21st February 2009, 12:40 PM
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Reps: 1,008,025,187,147,289,600 (power: 1,008,025,187,147,331) | | Originally Posted by ikonographics  Painting icons with Acrylic! Is OUTRAGE!
You will find the majority of bishops in this country are perfectly fine with icons written in acrylic. A certain bishop from the midwest could not tell if an icon I wrote was written in acrylic or egg tempera. I guess I am doing something right if that is the case?!
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22nd February 2009, 06:52 AM
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1. Separate the egg white from the yolk, the break the yolk sack and pour the yolk into a container.
2.Add approximately the same amount of white wine (or vinegar). You can also add a couple drops of lavender essence if you wish and a couple drops of preservative) Some iconographers also add a little egg white.
3. When mixing the pigments with the egg on the pallette, you use approximately the same proportions of egg, pigment and water and you're ready to paint.
Obviously it is better to see the process than to try follow written instructions, but is is really very easy. |
23rd February 2009, 05:23 PM
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He does not use white wine or vinegar... I think but "recipes" vary right?
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24th February 2009, 02:43 AM
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24th February 2009, 08:21 AM
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Reps: 1,008,025,187,147,289,600 (power: 1,008,025,187,147,331) | | Originally Posted by ikonographics I think the paint would be too "thick" without the additional liquid and would have the tendency to crack. The white wine or vinigar also give it a nice velvety finish that water alone doesn't and also helps to preserve the egg to that it doesn't go off while you are working. But yes, there are a variety of recipes.
I have to agree here. What little experience I have writing icons in tempera (one icon in tempera vs. nearly a hundred in acryllic) you need to add egg and water to the solution, as well as white wine/vinegar to give it a proper consistency.
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Reps: 57,599,674,103,207,072 (power: 57,599,674,103,222) | | Originally Posted by Michael the Iconographer I have to agree here. What little experience I have writing icons in tempera (one icon in tempera vs. nearly a hundred in acryllic) you need to add egg and water to the solution, as well as white wine/vinegar to give it a proper consistency.
Yes, the white wine works as a preservative as well as it breaks the surface tension in the egg. If you use only egg the area is very shiny and very hard to correct after drying (we used ox gall to break the surface tension if anything had to be done). If you use too much wine for too little egg the pigments start coming off. We used egg, wine and then some water but you can't really just write down the ratios because it depends on what type of pigment you're working with, some need more egg, some need more wine and what color you're trying to acheive (some pigments don't mix well unless you use a very strong alcohol). You kind of just have to sit down and work out color charts with different mixes.
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24th February 2009, 11:45 AM
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Reps: 1,008,025,187,147,289,600 (power: 1,008,025,187,147,331) | | Originally Posted by Khaleas Yes, the white wine works as a preservative as well as it breaks the surface tension in the egg. If you use only egg the area is very shiny and very hard to correct after drying (we used ox gall to break the surface tension if anything had to be done). If you use too much wine for too little egg the pigments start coming off. We used egg, wine and then some water but you can't really just write down the ratios because it depends on what type of pigment you're working with, some need more egg, some need more wine and what color you're trying to acheive (some pigments don't mix well unless you use a very strong alcohol). You kind of just have to sit down and work out color charts with different mixes.
Yes, you just have to develope a feel for what you are doing.
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24th February 2009, 12:07 PM
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Reps: 5,726,193,625,421,512,704 (power: 5,726,193,625,421,558) | | | okie ...you guys I get it.. Thanks. I was not sure of the consistency but it has too be not too watery or too thick... After all it has to be a "wash" ... It is funny but it seems the egg yolk has the fat so it is in a way painting also with oils... while the alchohol in the wine does the excact opposite... so I am sure depending on how much you use of both has to do with the result you get... It it is too much egg yolk it will "crack"... I get it thanks you all. I will start experimenting as soon as I order the pigments... Any good sources for that?
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