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Hamartiology The forum to discuss the doctrine of sin, the origin of sin and how sin entered into the world.

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I program a robot to murder. I am the killer, not the robot.


I am a prison guard. I let a rapist go free, who goes and rapes and kills many women and children. Am I innocent of this? Especially if I knew this was going to happen?
hey lawtonfogle

well, first of all, God doesn't make you do evil. "Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am being tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt anyone." Brother, that analogy is wrong from the start. If God made me kill, then yes of-course God is responsible for who can resist God? Everyone owns a kitchen knife. That manufacturer is not a killer because some chose to kill with it. God never forces the sinner to sin.

By the way, your second analogy assumes again that God is the force behind the evil committed. He's not and never will be. That rapist is responsible. So you ask why God made people knowing the evil they'd commit? I'm going to make this real short. To Glorify himself by saving some and displaying his infinite Love and infinite Mercy and to Glorify himself by passing over some [by the way we deserve this] and displaying his perfect Holy Justice and perfect Holy Wrath.

Brother, lets Praise God for all his attributes.
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Old 7th September 2009, 03:41 PM
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Yes, God created Satan.

God is an all powerful all knowing God. What else in the universe would such a being want? Nothing else but true love and worship as explained in John 4:23. I believe true love cannot exist unless it is of one's own free will. Free will cannot exist unless there is something else to choose besides God. Imagine a universe without Satan or evil. We would all be as pure as God. We would be like perhaps the beings described in Revelation 4: 7-11, who worship Him continuously, night and day. In order for there to be free will, there must be an option. That option is Satan; God's complete opposite. If God is everything that is good and pure and holy, Satan is everything that God is not. Jesus said, “He who is not with me, is against me.” So did God create an angel for this purpose? Perhaps. Did that angel become Satan? Perhaps.


In Genesis it says there were two trees in the Garden of Eden. The Tree of Life and the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. This second tree had the serpent in it. How did it get there? Where did the it come from? If we believe that God sees the infinite future and infinite past in one instance, why would God knowingly create anything that he knew would betray him? Surely God must have known that this serpent would cause the downfall of mankind? Unless the serpent and the downfall together were to serve a purpose. Perhaps that purpose was because God wanted us to understand good and evil and have eternal life with Him. Perhaps God understood that we could never understand evil without being separated from Him; and thus could never gain eternal life by accepting Jesus. After all, how can we understand eternity without understanding death? How can we understand the awe and Glory of God without ever understanding His absence? To understand good and evil and still choose good is perhaps God's greatest gift.


Does this mean God created evil?
In my opinion, yes. God is all powerful and uncreated. Therefore all things must have started with Him and are under his control.


So how can God be a loving god if He allows evil?
If we understand the broader scope of evil we understand that ultimately God brings about greater good through evil; the kind of “good” that God desires.


If Satan fulfills God's purpose, doesn't that in fact make Satan good?
In my opinion, Satan is by no means good. I believe Satan is exactly as God planned him or it to be. Satan's ultimate purpose may be to bring about greater good but he is still evil.
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Why then is Satan regarded in such a negative way in the Bible?
I believe God influences mankind to a certain degree. It makes sense that if God wants us to seek Him yet still wants it to be of our own freewill; of course God would tell us Satan is a “thief and a murderer” or the “father of lies”.
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If the goodness of God requires the context of evil, how is a perfectly good God all-powerful?
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