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4th May 2012, 07:35 PM
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| | Originally Posted by OntheDL
Furthermore the Nicean Creed since its inception in 325AD til today has been a message that has been used to distinguish and to persecute the dissidents. The little horn used it to pluck up three horns by the roots. So I'm not in that camp.
Just something to think about...
Excellent point on the origin of the trinity concept... probably not going to find a gem in a heap of rubbish.
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14th May 2012, 05:36 AM
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According to the White Estate.....
Bob, that a good post of historical facts. Since this 2012 dialog is about thr Trinity....... Here are some historical facts on what EGW wrote about the Godhead. http://www.google.com/url?q=http://w...RWhxElkNx8mHvw
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18th May 2012, 03:07 PM
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It is true that the Millerite Movement started the Adventist belief which means the second coming of the Messiah. What I disagree with the comment made that the Branch Davidians and the Christdelphians originated from the Millerite Movement. The Branch Davidians is an offshoot of the Sheppard Rods whose founder was excommunicated out of the SDA Church. The Christdelphians' founder came from England to America during the time of the Millerite Movement but was not a part of the movement. Dr John Thomas the founder of the Christdelphians joined with the Restoration Movement during the Second Awakening in 1834 who never claim to be Protestants. The four original Adventist that broke off from the National Millerite Movement are the Advent Christian, the Church Evangelical, the Seventh day Adventist, the Adventists Life and the Advent Union. Since then there are other Adventist churches the Church of God (Seventh Day, separated in 1850 from the new SDA movement that had just organized), the Church of God and Saints of Christ United, Seventh-Day Brethren, the Worldwide Church of God, the United Church of God, the Seventh Day Adventist Reform Movement (offshoot of SDA), True and Free Adventists ( offshoot of SDA in Russia), and the United Sabbath-Day Adventist Church (African Americans offshoot of SDA), the Davidians (original known as the Sheppard Rods). This is the answer to the question you asked.
However, what concern me were the incorrect answers you gave in Revelation Chapter Twenty which I would like to correct.
vs. 1 - An angel descends from heaven with a key and a chain. This is correct and coincide with Rev 9:1 when the same angel (stars is another symbol of angel), at that with the approval of the father releases the chain of prison where the angels abide. Jude 1:6 also shows proof that these angels after been kicked out of Heaven were given another place or land, region to live. It was not the earth because the earth was not made at the time that these angels fell. Now the chain is to restrain Satan!
vs. 2 - He binds Satan for 1000 years. Correct, now Satan is bound in prison where he presided after been kicked out of Heaven. Satan the Bible shows is the only one that was not chained or imprisoned but limited. These lofty angels however were as the Bible shows clearly that only up to a legion could come down where the Father could bring down legions. (Gen 3:1-6; 1Ch 21:1; Job 1:6-9, 12; 2:1-7; Zech 3:1, 2; Mark 5:9, 15; Luke 8:30; Mat 26:53; John 12:31; Eph 2:2)
vs. 3 - During the 1000 years Satan cannot deceive the nations any more. Correct because they are dead and were eaten by the great supper of the birds. (Rev 19:17, 18, 21) Satan has be locked down where he presided in some region of land out of space (bottomless is outer space and the pit means prison)
vs. 4 - Martyrs are resurrected to reign with Jesus Christ for 1000 years. Correct
vs. 5a - The rest of the dead will be raised at the end of the 1000 years. Correct, which is during the period that Elohim's saint will also judge the wicked to see why they did not make it? (1Co 6:2)
vs. 6 - Those in the first resurrection will reign with Jesus for 1000 years. Correct
vs. 7 - Satan will be loosed at the end of the 1000 years. Correct, he will be release from his region in outer space to return to the earth with his diabolic host of angels.
vs. 8 – After the rest of the dead are raised, Satan deceives them again. There will be billions - like the sand of the sea. They are called Gog and Magog. Satan gathers them for a final battle. Correct
vs. 9 - Satan and this host surround God's City. Fire comes down and devours them. Correct
vs. 10 - Satan, the Beast, and the False Prophet end up in this lake of fire. This is not worded correctly because the beast and the False Prophet were already caste in the lake of fire. They are no longer alive but already consumed. When Yahweh sends down His fire it consumes everything including objects, chemical, liquid or anything that it is to completely burned to appear no more! Many do not understand about eternal fire. It was used to destroy Sodom and Gomorra completely never to be resurrected again. There are references of this fire that came down on the burnt altar and it was the only fire to be used in the Tabernacle and Solomon's Temple. Nadab and Abihu were destroyed for using strange fire. They were only to use the fire from Elohim located in the middle of the Burnt Altar. Finally the fire that Elijah the prophet receives from Elohim out of Heaven that consumed everything on and around the altar that he built for Yahweh. Gen 19:24; Lev 9:24 also SDA Vol. 1 commentx on this Scripture; 1Ki 18:21, 31-38; Jude 1:7)
vs. 11 - Before this fire falls, a final judgment occurs. This is correct and this executive judgment.
vs. 12 - All the resurrected lost are judged. Correct
vs. 13 - Another description of the resurrected lost being judged. Correct just the complete thought of 11-15.
vs. 14 - Death and Hell are cast into the lake of fire, which is the second death. The word Grave comes from the English speaking people which means where the dead abode will also be destroyed. Remember what I explain about Eternal fire of Elohim earlier.
vs. 15 - All the resurrected lost are cast into the lake of fire. Correct
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