Barry Smith, End-Times....OK?

What does this board traditionally or currently make of end-times scenarios, most forcefully, for example put foreward by the likes of Barry Smith.

You know, Babylon > Medio-Persia > Greece > Rome > EC > Financial System > AntiChrist > Apocalypse > Return of Christ > Establishment of the millenium.

(Obviously bits missed off, here)

Is it valid? Can the Bible be used like this?

And for those that DO think it's important, how dangerous is it spiritually for us to neglect it?

I can't stomach the whole chiliast dispensationalism, of which Smith is a proponent, and I suspect many on this sub-forum would feel the same. I consider it really bad theology.

Over at the MJ forum you might find a lot of sympathisers though.

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Ahh Chuck Missler will dumbfound you or blow your doors off on facts you may never have heard before in relationship to the Word of God even as you read it, try a Video and see if he is Buloney or deep for almost anyone from anywhere lol.

Type Chuck Missler into Google Vids and you'll get buried LOL You tube has alot also.

As to the Board here? Well, variety and difference of opinion helps everyone to learn.

Eben

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I can't stomach Missler either. The whole premise of dispensationalism is wrong, if you ask me. End-times watchdog teachers are really an embarrasment to Christianty, IMHO.

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I agree of preference, but I don't label.

If a person tell me that are a dispensationlist, I will ascribe to them the appellation they choose.

I know each time I hear a term, I usually have to examine what the person using it means, what the terms really meabs, how the person is applying the actual meaning of the term to the person or posit, and how the term originated and how the term has changed in meaning over time and lastly

WHAT the person really means.

I know Clarence Larkin IS a dispensationalist, Dead for over a hundred years, his Dispensationalism was no more absolute than saying all Chassids think Menachem Schneersohn was or is the Messiah.

Nope.

But It was attached to him by popularity and presumed notoriety though he fankly said he was not.

Chuck Missler materials and parts of his presentations are often used by Large Numbers of scholars because Missler is a Compiler.

As a Techie, He compiles enormous amounts of data and coallates it into categories and often presents opinons on what he has found, usually telling ALL, in fact I know He tells ALL, that they should NOT beleive what he is saying but go check his source material on thier own.

As Such, his reliabillty as a presenter of alternative ideas is impeachable, I can say if a person finds fault with anyone being given a disclaimer like that, either knows Human Beings very well and this is a form of reverse psychology knowing No one will go look up (except we Jews) OR Missler is in fact sincere in Saying:

DON"T AGREE WITH ME.

I like teachers or materials presnters like that because I already before a word spoke have a mind set to examine and find alternative sources and undersanding beyond the materials presented.

If I labeled Missler a Dispensationalistm and that is a very closed box where only in one dispensation can a dispensation of one time occur, I would have to call Missler a hypocrite, because the Dispensationalisms also preclude posits he states he holds to which do not allow (in the mind of the Dispensationalist) to have G-d work outside the box of the Dispensation they have labeled.

In other words time and interaction with G-d is limited according to the cause and effect labeled for that era or limiter of time like Dispensation of Law, so it only applies to a dispensationist during the dispensation of law etc.

It gets rather dogmatic and linear when I see the presenter using parts of advocacies of many perspectives in every presentation I have heard.

Maybe he changed, The web is there and the Vids, so far, none of them I see makes him a negative.

Now I know, it is END TIMES as a Jew.

I do know times are winding down as Jew, albeit a Messianic Jew.

I know a time is coming when my people shall enjoy a time of favor and rest, both as a Jew and a Beleiver.

As to When, Yes, I have a opine for another folder, but as to here, with so many biased and prejudicial sources of information,

I am glad to recommend at least one that comes with it's own disclaimer by the very person himself.

In that, I wish we were all like Him.

Eben

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I think the scriptures teach a more positive "end times" than currently popularly taught by modernist teachers in the USA- but that's another story. Thanks for your input brother.

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I like Chuck and I also like Joseph Good and I also like especially this time of year the Guys from FFOZ and their The Last Days / Hanukkah DVD series its amaising for studying the end times and this holiday at the same time

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