Focused discussion--Are the Sabbaths of Col 2 weekly or yearly?

I want someone to give me a good reason why it cannot be both.

1. You are mixing the LXX with the Hebrew. I have no problem at all admitting that the Hebrew in this instance contains a greater range of meaning. And thus the NASB, Youngs, Holman and CEV translators (from Hebrew) are ALL correct in rendering the whole set "Appointed times" while differentiating vs 6 "Feast" or "Festival" of unleavened bread.



2. Mow'ed vs 4 - does not argue that they can only be feasts - so again the NASB is correct in selecting consisently differentiating Mow'ed "Appointed Times" -- vs Chaq (Feasts) in the chapter.



This is particularly signifcant when you notice the way the Hebrew writers are also consistent in switching to much more restricted Chaq - when Feast is what is actually happening.




3. If your position requires that you take on these Bible translators and recommend the LXX over Hebrew - so be it. I am not comfortable going that route but I can understand why you may feel you have to take on that task.

in Christ,

Bob

2. The Sabbath was not based in shadow-sacrifices as given in Gen 2:3 or in Ex 16 or in Ex 20.

3. By contrast - the Passover from it's very inception and definition is based in forward-pointing shaddow sacrifice. So it is that deleting the Animal sacrifice pointing to Christ in the Passover -- deletes passover.

The scope of obligatory observance for Sabbath was from Gen 2:3 "All mankind" as Christ affirms in Mark chapter 2 (and will continue in that way as we see in Isaiah 66 for all eternity) - so again there is a distinction for a day that is not a feast day, not a feastival - but is a day of "Holy Convocation" and does point back in time.

in Christ,

Bob

I want someone to give me a good reason why it cannot be both. I think we run into problems because we over-interpret "let no one judge you."

Huh? Bob, the word in Col. is is Greek. We have no choice but to look at the Greek. Col. was not written in Hebrew.

Bob said -

Adam Clarke –

Col 2:16-17

Verse 16
Let no man-judge you in meat, or in drink

The apostle speaks here in reference to some particulars of the hand-writing of ordinances, which had been taken away, viz., the distinction of meats and drinks, what was clean and what unclean, according to the law; and the necessity of observing certain holydays or festivals, such as the new moons and particular sabbaths, or those which should be observed with more than ordinary solemnity; all these had been taken out of the way and nailed to the cross, and were no longer of moral obligation.
There is no intimation here that the Sabbath was done away, or that its moral use was superseded, by the introduction of Christianity
I have shown elsewhere that, Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, is a command of perpetual obligation, and can never be superseded but by the final termination of time. As it is a type of that rest which remains for the people of God, of an eternity of bliss, it must continue in full force till that eternity arrives; for no type ever ceases till the antitype be come. Besides, it is not clear that the apostle refers at all to the Sabbath in this place, whether Jewish or Christian; his σαββατων, of sabbaths or weeks, most probably refers to their feasts of weeks, of which much has been said in the notes on the Pentateuch.

Bob,

Clarke himself says that the Sabbath points forward to the rest to come. Remember the text is speaking of shadows of things to come.

But Clarke really is not on your side in any case. Notice what he says about Rev. 1:

Verse 10. I was in the Spirit] That is, I received the Spirit of prophecy, and was under its influence when the first vision was exhibited.
The Lord's day] The first day of the week, observed as the Christian Sabbath, because on it Jesus Christ rose from the dead; therefore it was called the Lord's day, and has taken place of the Jewish Sabbath throughout the Christian world.

He thought that Sunday took over the Sabbath rest.
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It could be all sabbaths, but the most likely is the weekly as the others were taken in by feast and the progression is from yearly to weekly.

You are making an assumption about how the writer was thinking.

The fact that this point is so clear that even a pro-Sunday Bible scholar ALSO agrees with me that Col 2 is a reference to feasts and annual Sabbaths -- is not as much a problem for my view as it is for yours, if you think about it.

In fact that is "why" I bring people like that up as examples -- rather than quoting a fellow Sabbath-keeping source.

in Christ,

Bob