Have I lost the Sabbath?

Shayned30 · #31 29th July 2009, 10:36 AM

Oh, one more question. Why is it that most people who keep Sunday don't agree on why you keep sunday! I've probably heard about 100 reasons why you keep sunday and not one is the same! Seems you don't really know either!

Solaris · #32 29th July 2009, 03:55 PM

Agreed shaned30.
Come on Roman Catholics. I remember reading that a Pope said the Sabbath was still Saturday. Not being RC, I did not remember to memorize the reference. You RCs should know. Golly!

freeindeed2 · #33 28th October 2009, 12:17 AM

Originally Posted by winslow

Heb 4:9 So, then, there remains a sabbath rest to the people of God.

Thye word translated sabbath in this verse is sabbatismos which is only used concerning the 7th day sabbath, not ceremonial or spiritual sabbaths.

So, then, there remains a 7th day sabbath rest to the people of God.

winslow, the word 'sabbatismos' is found only ONCE in scripture...Heb. 4:9, and it means 'sabbath like rest'. Read the whole passage. Israel never entered 'my rest' through the weekly Sabbath. God declared an oath in anger, "They shall NEVER enter MY rest."

Look at what the words say:

Therefore since it still remains for some to enter that rest, and since those who formerly had the good news proclaimed to them did not go in because of their disobedience, God again set a certain day, calling it “Today.” This he did when a long time later he spoke through David, as in the passage already quoted:

“Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts.”

For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest [sabbatismos-sabbath LIKE rest] for the people of God; for those who enter God’s rest also rest from their own work, just as God did from his. Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience. Heb 4:6-11

This is not talking about the Sabbath given to Israel at Sinai as the sign of the covenant he made with them. It's talking about another day, TODAY. You can enter HIS REST today (do not harden your heart), not the old covenant sign. Israel never entered God's rest (even though they had a weekly reminder) and instead were disobedient.

And for the SDA's who are posting here, this is taken from their own SDA Bible Commentaries:

Seventh day Adventist Bible Commentary
page 423, of Volume 7:

"Certainly, in writing to Jews, the author of Hebrews would not consider it necessary to prove to them that Sabbathkeeping "remaineth." If the conclusion of the extended argument beginning with ch. 3:7 is that Sabbathkeeping remains for the people of God, it would seem that the writer of Hebrews is guilty of a non sequitur, for the conclusion does not follow logically from the argument. There would have been no point in so labored an effort to persuade the Jews to do what they were already doing -- observing the seventh-day Sabbath.... What relationship a protracted argument designed to prove that Sabbath observance remains an obligation to the Christian church might have to the declared theme of chs. 3 and 4 -- the ministry of Christ as our great High Priest in the heavenly sanctuary -- is obscure indeed."

Dr. Ford’s Daniel 8:14… relates an exchange of letters in 1957 between F.C.Clifford, then president of Australian SDA, and F.D.Nichol re. the galleys for their SDA Commentary. Clifford was distressed that the commentary didn’t support their sanctuary teaching very well. Nichol confirmed this with advice to stay out of Hebrews when trying to show their sanctuary and investigative judgment doctrines. In closing he also noted re. Heb 4:9:

“If you will look again at the galleys, you will note that we do not believe that Hebrews 4:9 presents a valid argument for the Sabbath. I am sure some folks will grieve over this, and perhaps argue we have weakened the Sabbath doctrine…We simply believe Hebrews is not the place to try to establish the Sabbath Doctrine.”

The Sabbath was about REST, not what day you go to church (there weren't any churches). Colossians 2:16,17 says, "Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ." The rest the Sabbath was symbolic of (God's 'MY REST') was a shadow of the reality, Jesus Christ.

In Christ alone...

HisHomeMaker · #34 5th February 2011, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by PROPHECYKID

Mat 12:10 And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him.
Mat 12:11 And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?
Mat 12:12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.

Here Jesus is clearing up the polluted legalistic ideas of the Sabbath. Here he says that it is lawful to do Good on the Sabbath. Jesus is saying that it is not against the law to do good on the Sabbath. Therefore a doctor who lets a patient die on the Sabbath is not doing what Jesus would do. Jesus fulfilled the law so we can understand it better and we can realize how the law is kept in the heart.

These are my ideas, exactly. In Matthew 12, Jesus tells us that doing good, caring for our animals, people and the church is more important than keeping the sabbath.

Originally Posted by newadam

I exercise on Sunday, we eat out, the kids do homework, we play games, go shopping. With the exception of going to church, our Sundays (Sabbaths) are similar to other days.

Newadam, I could argue that exercising is good work because you are caring for the body that God gave you.

Eating out is sometimes a way of taking care of each other, our relationships, if it brings people together. Playing games with others does that, too. (Being on video games alone or excluding family and friends does not help relationships.)

I don't think that shopping needs to be done on Sundays. That said, I do it sometimes, so I'm obviously not legalistic about it.

PROPHECYKID · #35 5th February 2011, 08:31 PM

These are my ideas, exactly. In Matthew 12, Jesus tells us that doing good, caring for our animals, people and the church is more important than keeping the sabbath.

Not at all. Jesus said it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath. This means that doing good would not be polluting the Sabbath but it would be good Sabbath keeping. Doing good however should be defined because in everything you do, God should be the center and his name should be glorified.

Newadam, I could argue that exercising is good work because you are caring for the body that God gave you.

Eating out is sometimes a way of taking care of each other, our relationships, if it brings people together. Playing games with others does that, too. (Being on video games alone or excluding family and friends does not help relationships.)

I don't think that shopping needs to be done on Sundays. That said, I do it sometimes, so I'm obviously not legalistic about it.

Isn't the Sabbath on Saturday?

HisHomeMaker · #36 5th February 2011, 09:17 PM

I think it matters less which day of the week the Sabbath is and more that there is a day in which we put God at the centre.

PROPHECYKID · #37 5th February 2011, 09:30 PM

Originally Posted by HisHomeMaker

I think it matters less which day of the week the Sabbath is and more that there is a day in which we put God at the centre.

Well God sanctified the 7th day for a purpose. He blessed that day and made it holy. It them means it does matter to God which day he blessed and sanctified. I think that if you love God it should matter to you too.

Rottiedog · #38 12th February 2011, 03:09 AM

This is giving me a headache. Happy Sabbath

from scratch · #39 14th February 2011, 10:38 PM

Originally Posted by Shayned30

Oh, one more question. Why is it that most people who keep Sunday don't agree on why you keep sunday! I've probably heard about 100 reasons why you keep sunday and not one is the same! Seems you don't really know either!

Well first of all People who worship on Sunday don't keep it in the manner prescribed for the Sabbath. There is lot of confusion around because people won't read their Bible. They would rather just accept something somebody says about the Bible. They have no clue and can't defend their faith.

There are a wide variety of people who attend any church for any given reason. A friend of mine was recently asked why they were at church on a bad weather day and replied they love Jesus. It was a large church and was the only response that I think is the purpose of going to church. Others were I don't have anythings else to do, IOW bored. Many go for the children, or business contacts. In reality there are very few real Christians at church. It is a big problem as preachers are going for numbers for a variety of reasons. I find Christians abandoning the organized church for that reason. It simply isn't about God any more. Very sad indeed.

from scratch · #40 14th February 2011, 10:44 PM

Originally Posted by PROPHECYKID

Well God sanctified the 7th day for a purpose. He blessed that day and made it holy. It them means it does matter to God which day he blessed and sanctified. I think that if you love God it should matter to you too.

So does God care when you worship Him? Does He reject worship of Him on Sunday?