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Oh, one more question. Why is it that most people who keep Sunday don't agree on why you keep sunday! I've probably heard about 100 reasons why you keep sunday and not one is the same! Seems you don't really know either!
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Agreed shaned30.
Come on Roman Catholics. I remember reading that a Pope said the Sabbath was still Saturday. Not being RC, I did not remember to memorize the reference. You RCs should know. Golly!
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Originally Posted by winslow View Post
Heb 4:9 So, then, there remains a sabbath rest to the people of God.

Thye word translated sabbath in this verse is sabbatismos which is only used concerning the 7th day sabbath, not ceremonial or spiritual sabbaths.

So, then, there remains a 7th day sabbath rest to the people of God.
winslow, the word 'sabbatismos' is found only ONCE in scripture...Heb. 4:9, and it means 'sabbath like rest'. Read the whole passage. Israel never entered 'my rest' through the weekly Sabbath. God declared an oath in anger, "They shall NEVER enter MY rest."

Look at what the words say:

Therefore since it still remains for some to enter that rest, and since those who formerly had the good news proclaimed to them did not go in because of their disobedience, God again set a certain day, calling it “Today.” This he did when a long time later he spoke through David, as in the passage already quoted:

“Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts.”

For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest [sabbatismos-sabbath LIKE rest] for the people of God; for those who enter God’s rest also rest from their own work, just as God did from his. Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience. Heb 4:6-11

This is not talking about the Sabbath given to Israel at Sinai as the sign of the covenant he made with them. It's talking about another day, TODAY. You can enter HIS REST today (do not harden your heart), not the old covenant sign. Israel never entered God's rest (even though they had a weekly reminder) and instead were disobedient.

And for the SDA's who are posting here, this is taken from their own SDA Bible Commentaries:

Seventh day Adventist Bible Commentary
page 423, of Volume 7:

"Certainly, in writing to Jews, the author of Hebrews would not consider it necessary to prove to them that Sabbathkeeping "remaineth." If the conclusion of the extended argument beginning with ch. 3:7 is that Sabbathkeeping remains for the people of God, it would seem that the writer of Hebrews is guilty of a non sequitur, for the conclusion does not follow logically from the argument. There would have been no point in so labored an effort to persuade the Jews to do what they were already doing -- observing the seventh-day Sabbath.... What relationship a protracted argument designed to prove that Sabbath observance remains an obligation to the Christian church might have to the declared theme of chs. 3 and 4 -- the ministry of Christ as our great High Priest in the heavenly sanctuary -- is obscure indeed."

Dr. Ford’s Daniel 8:14… relates an exchange of letters in 1957 between F.C.Clifford, then president of Australian SDA, and F.D.Nichol re. the galleys for their SDA Commentary. Clifford was distressed that the commentary didn’t support their sanctuary teaching very well. Nichol confirmed this with advice to stay out of Hebrews when trying to show their sanctuary and investigative judgment doctrines. In closing he also noted re. Heb 4:9:

“If you will look again at the galleys, you will note that we do not believe that Hebrews 4:9 presents a valid argument for the Sabbath. I am sure some folks will grieve over this, and perhaps argue we have weakened the Sabbath doctrine…We simply believe Hebrews is not the place to try to establish the Sabbath Doctrine.

The Sabbath was about REST, not what day you go to church (there weren't any churches). Colossians 2:16,17 says, "Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ." The rest the Sabbath was symbolic of (God's 'MY REST') was a shadow of the reality, Jesus Christ.

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