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Originally Posted by Lpe04 View Post
Cause they'll get their heads chopped off.

It resided in one of my friends, he was embarrassed but admitted it was there. That's about as far as I'll go for now.

God bless.
you don't need to go into it, but I just wanted to comment
that I find it interesting that he knew about it.
I used to be a skeptic about all that stuff and I'm not so much
one anymore.
thanks for sharing
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Originally Posted by Simon_Templar View Post
this is an extreme, that show cases a common practice people use in their "theology".

This group cares nothing at all for the concept of scriptural truth. The bible is simply a tool that they can use to promote their view and thus changing the bible is fine because there is no assumption at all that the bible itself contains truth that we must discover, understand, or adhere to. They are just using it as a form of propaganda.

This is obviously blatant and extreme. However, 'gay theology' and other kinds of theology like liberation theology, black liberation theology, etc.. have been doing basically the same thing for years. They usually don't go so far as to actually physically rewrite the bible... but they really don't care at all what the bible was intended to mean or to teach.. they are only concerned with how they can use the bible to support their ideas. Thus they go in looking for ways to make the bible mean what they want it to mean.

This group has just taken it to the next, extreme step and simply rewritten the bible to say what they want it to say.

I don't say this in a triumphalistic sense, but the reality is people who do things like this are just storing up wrath for themselves.
It doesnt cease to amaze me anymore at how little shame people seem to have these days. It used to be just understood even by those who didnt believe one word of the bible or christianity that some things were just off limits for mocking and sacriledge.

I remember before I was saved being at a new years eve party and a tv was on with George Carlin doing a new years eve stand up show and when he started mocking christians it bothered me even though at the time I wasnt one and could even tell others there were uncomfortable but now its a daily routine to many.

Now its as if people celebrate being that way. I guess that just goes with the love of many growing cold though.
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Originally Posted by Nadiine View Post
you don't need to go into it, but I just wanted to comment
that I find it interesting that he knew about it.
I used to be a skeptic about all that stuff and I'm not so much
one anymore.
thanks for sharing
He only knew it was there because the Spirit of God showed him.

I hesitate to talk on here too much, cause I'm not sure who is supposed to read this stuff or not, but it does exist.

Take care.
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Originally Posted by Rlunatic View Post
Has this already been posted here yet? I wanted to share......

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008...iana-gay-bible
(The full story)

A quote from "Genesis"
I would surely like to see whoever translated this substantiate it with historical documentation. Of course they can't unless they make that up too.

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Originally Posted by Simon_Templar View Post
This is obviously blatant and extreme. However, 'gay theology' and other kinds of theology like liberation theology, black liberation theology, etc.. have been doing basically the same thing for years. They usually don't go so far as to actually physically rewrite the bible... but they really don't care at all what the bible was intended to mean or to teach..
Remember, even though it's all different theologies, it still comes from the same source. You will also find that they all have the same goal in the end.

"Did God really say...?"

God bless.

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Originally Posted by Angel4Truth View Post
It doesnt cease to amaze me anymore at how little shame people seem to have these days. It used to be just understood even by those who didnt believe one word of the bible or christianity that some things were just off limits for mocking and sacriledge.
This was not always true. It was only true in Western Culture from around the year 312 until recently. Now, Western culture seems to have devolved back into its pre-Christian state.

I always encourage people to read the early Church Fathers and the stories of the early martyrs to see what Christians once faced.

We have gone full circle and and are in a state similar to the earliest Christians.

This is really no reason to despair. The greatest witnesses for Christ lived in those first 300 years. We should pray that God will give us the strength to follow their heroic examples.

Today was the Feast of St. Bibiana. She was an early Christian noblewoman who suffered martyrdom along with her sister, mother, and father, rather than renouce Christ.

O God, the Giver of all good gifts, Who unto the lily of pure maidenhood in the hand of Thy servant Bibiana, didst join the palm of a glorious martyrdom, grant us, we beseech Thee, at her pleading, that our hearts and minds being joined to Thee by Thy love, we may escape all dangers which do presently beset us, and finally attain unto Thine everlasting joy. Amen
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Originally Posted by Secundulus View Post
This was not always true. It was only true in Western Culture from around the year 312 until recently. Now, Western culture seems to have devolved back into its pre-Christian state.
Probably cause there was a larger Christian population post 312. Maybe it's not so anymore.

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Originally Posted by Lpe04 View Post
Probably cause there was a larger Christian population post 312. Maybe it's not so anymore.
The actual cause was that Christianity was illegal before 312. Constantine made it legal in that year.

It is still legal, but in many places such as in Canada and I think in some places in Europe, preaching unadulterated Christian doctrine, contrary to the political PC, is illegal.

My observation is that we are everywhere devolving to the point that Christianity is fine as long as each individual Christian is willing to sacrifice to the PC God.

In other words, you can privately believe whatever you want as long as you publicly agree to the pagan consensus.

Earlier Christians died in refusing to do this.
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Originally Posted by Secundulus View Post
The actual cause was that Christianity was illegal before 312. Constantine made it legal in that year.

It is still legal, but in many places such as in Canada and I think in some places in Europe, preaching unadulterated Christian doctrine, contrary to the political PC, is illegal.

My observation is that we are everywhere devolving to the point that Christianity is fine as long as each individual Christian is willing to sacrifice to the PC God.

In other words, you can privately believe whatever you want as long as you publicly agree to the pagan consensus.

Earlier Christians died in refusing to do this.
It's a powerful reminder, isn't it?

I've noticed as well that while martyrs used to be revered, martyrdom on the whole is being more and more viewed as ridiculous and totally unneeded. Respect for past martyrs is disappearing.
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Originally Posted by Secundulus View Post
The actual cause was that Christianity was illegal before 312. Constantine made it legal in that year.

It is still legal, but in many places such as in Canada and I think in some places in Europe, preaching unadulterated Christian doctrine, contrary to the political PC, is illegal.

My observation is that we are everywhere devolving to the point that Christianity is fine as long as each individual Christian is willing to sacrifice to the PC God.

In other words, you can privately believe whatever you want as long as you publicly agree to the pagan consensus.

Earlier Christians died in refusing to do this.

*emphasis mine*

It's true. In Finland, at least one confessional Lutheran pastor who refused to share the altar with women who intended to distributed communion has been arrested and tried for discrimination. The threat of similar prosecution is threatened for denying homosexual clergy altar and pulpit fellowship, as well. The Lutheran, and other orthodox, pastors there don't plan to back down. They need our prayers.
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