Those things your family speak of are man-made traditions.
Now, If you want to look at specific verses....
Sure, but first the definition.
Merriam-Webster:
Main Entry: sex·ism
Pronunciation: \ˈsek-ˌsi-zəm\
Function: noun
Etymology: 1sex + -ism (as in racism)
Date: 1968
1: prejudice or discrimination based on sex ; especially : discrimination against women
Now the Bible verses:
Genesis 3:16
16. Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire [shall be] to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
(Women will be ruled by men)
1 Corinthians 11:3
3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.
(Head of every woman is the man)
Ephesians 5:22 - 25
22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so [let] the wives [be] to their own husbands in every thing.
25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
(Wives must submit themselves to their husband, afterall he is the head of the wife)
Colossians 3:18
18. Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.
(Wives submit to their husband -- the Lord expects it)
Titus 2:3 - 5
3 The aged women likewise, that [they be] in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
5 [To be] discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.
Most of the key players in the Bible, OT and NT, are male. Personal pronouns used to describe god are male. The authors are traditionally believed to have been male. OT law and scripture is slanted in favor of men. The NT is a bit of a mixed bag, with some passages supportive of gender equality, and others reinforcing female inferiority. The bias isn't absolute; women are for the most part maligned, but not entirely (see Ruth, Deborah, Priscilla, the Marys, etc.). Nonetheless, taken as a whole, the Bible favors men over women. How is that not sexist?
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Most of the key players in the Bible, OT and NT, are male. Personal pronouns used to describe god are male. The authors are traditionally believed to have been male. OT law and scripture is slanted in favor of men. The NT is a bit of a mixed bag, with some passages supportive of gender equality, and others reinforcing female inferiority. The bias isn't absolute; women are for the most part maligned, but not entirely (see Ruth, Deborah, Priscilla, the Marys, etc.). Nonetheless, taken as a whole, the Bible favors men over women. How is that not sexist?
the fallen world is what has caused men to seek to rule over women and God said it would be so - the only one cursed in Genesis was the serpent. What adam and eve were told was that result (consequence) of their sin.
A woman will seek first to please a man before God and man will seek his own power over Gods. The worlds history bears this out as well.
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the fallen world is what has caused men to seek to rule over women and God said it would be so - the only one cursed in Genesis was the serpent. What adam and eve were told was that result (consequence) of their sin.
A woman will seek first to please a man before God and man will seek his own power over Gods. The worlds history bears this out as well.
Well yeah, I do recall the scripture(s) in question as a Biblical explanation of why sexism exists in the first place. But my question is not really "Why is there sexism, from a Biblical standpoint", but "Is the Bible sexist".
So what are your thoughts on that, if you are willing to offer them? Do you feel the Bible is sexist?
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Well yeah, I do recall the scripture(s) in question as a Biblical explanation of why sexism exists in the first place. But my question is not really "Why is there sexism, from a Biblical standpoint", but "Is the Bible sexist".
So what are your thoughts on that, if you are willing to offer them? Do you feel the Bible is sexist?
The world is sexist and because so - certain things are handled in specific ways in scripture because God obviously knew it and anyone looking at the world knows it.
I believe there are examples in the bible that show that God isnt pleased with it either and specific examples where Christ spoke directly to women and many who understand some of Pauls instructions do not understand without setting context understand that they are also pro women not against as well. Being that the world is fallen though and men even christian men have fallen natures - they still seek that which is natural to their flesh.
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Thee is a big difference between what the Bible says and what some people think the Bible says.
I'm afraid you family and friends are telling you what they have been told, but not what the Bible actually says.
Interesting that you come in to say we are wrong but don't have any details or specifics. Do tell, what DOES the Bible actually say?
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"The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this." - Albert Einstein
The world is sexist and because so - certain things are handled in specific ways in scripture because God obviously knew it and anyone looking at the world knows it.
So god told women to submit to men because he knew they would? Is that how god decided on his directives: he simply looked at what was happening and decided he may as well order it? If so, it seems he missed the chance, among a slew of things, to order people to commit adultery because he saw it going on. If this isn't what you meant by "certain things are handled in specific ways in scripture because God obviously knew it" Maybe you'll explain. The only problem I see is that in Genesis 3:16 god said woman was to be ruled by man before any such event had taken place.
So god told women to submit to men because he knew they would? Is that how god decided on his directives: he simply looked at what was happening and decided he may as well order it? If so, it seems he missed the chance, among a slew of things, to order people to commit adultery because he saw it going on. If this isn't what you meant by "certain things are handled in specific ways in scripture because God obviously knew it" Maybe you'll explain. The only problem I see is that in Genesis 3:16 god said woman was to be ruled by man before any such event had taken place.
Read it in the original and then we will talk. Its written as a result of action - the only one which was cursed was the serpent
As to your second concern - I wasnt posting to you was I or are you darkprophet?
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It seems like every time I interact with my parents and their friends from the baptist church they attend, I get an idea for a new thread...
They were having a conversation about how the bible says that women should not be leaders of men. They expounded upon the situation by saying the following...
Women should not be allowed to lead a church or any group within a church other than a womens bible study.
Women should not speak up during church services.
Women should not be allowed to be supervisors or managers in a place of employment.
Women should never have the final say at home when the husband is present.
They went one to explain to me that a violation of any of the things listed above is not only blatant disregard for God's natural order, but is a shame and disgrace to the men who reported to a female leader (in any capacity)
They provided the verses to support it and everything checked out so the Bible does in fact teach this...
I don't believe the bible, but for those who do, do you think these teaching should be taken literally in this modern day in age?
Do you feel these teachings are ethical??
Granted there are parts where the Bible attempts to even the score, such as the prophetess Deborah, the women followers of Christ, and the woman's dropping a stone on Abimelech's head.
But as a whole, yes, I'm afraid it fails this test. The OT's stance on rape alone is enough, quite frankly.
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