(MHC's only) A different perspective for discussion.

Originally Posted by Eben Abram

Shalom ALecheim

I am not sure of the nature of the post, but, since I am a Jew albeit a Messianic Jew, I not only accept the Failure of Judaism and the Failure of Christianity, I also accept the Failure of the Messianic Movement,

However having said that, since the post seems so adversely biased against Messianic Jews without accepting the posit, that some, even if only one, might be OK.

I have a question.

Since the statements above preclude a Gentile persuasion in the Millenium, which Nation is given deference?

Alecheim Shalom

Eben

great question

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I am confused by the question.

I don't understand the question either- and this thread is meant to be for Jewish Christians who attend Christian churches and perhaps our sympathizers.

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Shalom Alecheim

Hmmm

I don't understand the question either- and this thread is meant to be for Jewish Christians who attend Christian churches and perhaps our sympathizers.

I attend on Friday a Home Shabbos meeting, errr maybe that is my wife and I and LOTS OF PLANTS.

Err Saturday sometimes I go to Reform, if a coolm presentation is happening, sometimes On a Jewish Holy day, I might be at Chabad, I am partial to if I want flair, sometimes, rarely, I visit a Messianic Cong. on saturday.

AHH SUNDAY, I am rather well known at not a few Calvary Chapels where ever I happen to be living and I have helped behind the scenes a few of them get started and I think MAYBE just maybe a few well known amoung many Hebraic Roots for helping non Jews understand Jews.....ahh can we leave my current wife out of this, She will never understand me.

My hermaneutic and homiletic is secure if that means anything but I really wanted to say,

Many do look to be special and it is a crisis now in the desire to Be more like something or someone the person is not when In reality God saved you as you are.

He and frankly I, thank all people everywhere should have pride in who they are. I love visiting OLD Catholic Church's that in 1974 I found one doing a folk mass and Praising the Lord and doing things I woudl never have thought a Catholic Priest would do, I was shocked, and SOOOO blessed.

So too in many ways people point at waht they don;t like and forget WHO they do, meaning G-d our Father. It is easy if he is leading you to dsicover and relate a more Cultural or Historical perspective, but just as much so that another person might not and still be OK.

In other words One body means feet and legs and well even mouths and togues lol, AND WE ARE ALL of that if we are in Messiah Y'shau ha meshiach.

Now I didn't come to Rock any boats, but a Hebrew Christian is not a new term for this OLD person who has been around and I didn't get how I was implied to be NOT welcome as Hebrew Christian used to exist before the term Messianic ever appeared on the Web for the first time and it is a NEW not an old term usage for Beleivers.

ALecheim Shalom

Eben

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"May He who is able to keep you from falling and present you faultless before the Father with exceeding Joy, Keep you In personal relationship to himself, Messiah, the S-n of G-d, only begotten of the Father. The L-rd. Yhvh. Amen and omein for all ages!!

No worries Eben. There has always been a lot of confusion over terms etc on this forum. I assumed you self-identified as "Messianic" because of your faith icon. On this forum, the term "Messianic" can refer to a Jew or a Gentile who attends a Messianic congregation- whether it be mainstream or otherwise. Generally, the term "Hebrew Christian" is used to designate Messianic Jewish believers in Jesus who attend mainstream Christian churches, but on this forum "Messianic Hebrew Christian" is used to describe those Jewish believers who attend mainstream churches but still keep their traditions and culture intact.

These terms are generally very permeable, and really just useful in helping people find "safe" spaces on the forum where they won't be ridiculed for their beliefs.

People on this forum are very graceful and forgiving, so just enjoy posting and the rest will take care of itself.

I'm glad to have you here, and hope to see more of your posts.

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Shalom Alecheim

Thank you for your graciousness and your etiquette. May you be blessed and encouraged in your day and the way you apply all you do with the wisdom you have been given.

Don't tell anyone but usually a casual and simple please do not post will affect me more than most realize(Shhhh) but that is a secret

I actually love words and word meaning as well as a certain flow to them and Messianic Hebrew Christian (for me) always had a nice flow, as a Jew, albeit a Messianic Jew, I have no issue with the word or my heritage as in Christendom, much less my filial heritage as in Judaism, In most ways I am blessed and I enjoy that and embrace both openly and accept no deniablity that I am attached, and in some ways I am cursed so to speak meaning the responsibility and accountability of both can be a great price to bear for I will not shirk that both have apt reason to accuse and make cause and effect actions I would neither would have done, much less, still do.

But if not me, than who?

So, I enjoy as I can and I stand as I must and at times get crucified seemingly when ever all my brethren of which ever ilk they be, seem to chose to allow me the privilege of thier frustration with G-d venting at me rather than He.

(Not sure if listed a gift as this, LOL)

Such a deal......, but....., I know how Paul felt.

Eben

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"May He who is able to keep you from falling and present you faultless before the Father with exceeding Joy, Keep you In personal relationship to himself, Messiah, the S-n of G-d, only begotten of the Father. The L-rd. Yhvh. Amen and omein for all ages!!

I did not want anyone to think this thread was a Messianic Bashing for sport by outsiders. Many people (even within the Messianic ranks) have also expressed these concerns. Yes, we have all seen some that have sought a first century Apostalic Messianic faith and came out loosing their belief in Yeshua HaMoshiach.

Here is a recent link by Rabi Derek Leman on his thought provoking blog, that everyone needs to take a look at. It includes 6 myths of Messianic fringe thinking. http://derek4messiah.wordpress.com/2...on-the-fringe/

I personally feel many Christians are going to be drawn to MJ in very large numbers as prophecy unfolds and people desire to link with Israel.
This is good! And this is why these warnings are also important.

Interesting link SGM4HIM. I thought he had some good things to say.

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