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20th November 2008, 10:43 PM
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Reps: 1,574,738,335,962,253,824 (power: 1,574,738,335,962,329) | | SPECIAL REPORT: Should We Be Ashamed Of the Crusades III Catholic Online (www.catholic.org) In the fall of 1571, as the Muslims prepared for an all-out advance into Europe, the Pope implored everyone to pray the Rosary. WICHITA, Kansas (Catholic Online) - The First Crusade was the most successful. Jerusalem and Antioch were captured and held by the Europeans. Through the next two hundred years, these and several other small polities would go back and forth between the Crusaders and the Muslims and between factions among the Crusaders.
Since most Crusaders returned to Europe immediately after winning Jerusalem, these little “kingdoms” never had more than a small handful of fighting men at any given time. The little kingdoms were primarily populated by indigenous peoples – Christians and Jews (the dhimmi, freed from their servitude by the Crusaders) and by Muslims.
The fortunes of these kingdoms waxed and waned with the strength of the Muslim forces around them. They entered into local alliances and treaties with Muslims and with other Christians. The most important function of the later Crusades was to provide reinforcements and to win back territory lost.
Enthusiasm for Crusading petered out by the end, but the liberation of the holy places, the churches and relics of the saints – external signs of the faith – was genuinely important to the Europeans. While it’s true some individual Christian nobles personally gained by the Crusades, they also preserved a Christian presence in its own birthplace for two hundred years and made holy pilgrimage once again possible.
The Mongols upset the fragile balance of power that had developed in the Middle East. In 1256, Hulagu, grandson of Genghis Kahn, conquered Persia and completely destroyed Baghdad. The Caliph was beaten to death. Christians and Muslims alike quaked with fear before the Mongol advance until the Mamluk Baybars of Egypt defeated them -- and then went on to conquer the little Christian states. The 8th Crusade failed, and by 1291, the Crusaders had been completely swept from the Holy Lands. The Islamic Empire again ruled unopposed. The Resumption of Muslim Advance into Europe
Continued- http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=30681
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20th November 2008, 11:45 PM
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21st November 2008, 12:40 AM
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Reps: 267,787,228,303,690,752 (power: 267,787,228,303,714) | | | I think there's a lot of misinformation out there about the Crusades. I went to a lecture about them once, and about Galileo, and was shocked to find that many of the things I thought were not supported by history at all. I think the Crusades have been over exaggerated in some ways. I'm not saying they were perfect, certainly bad stuff came out of them too. But not to such a big extent as we're frequently told. Just my two cents. | 
21st November 2008, 02:09 AM
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21st November 2008, 02:13 AM
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21st November 2008, 02:51 AM
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Reps: 2,097,883,218,400,066,048 (power: 2,097,883,218,400,095) | | The Crusades are a very difficult thing for me to reconcile. I really struggle with them and the fact that the Church sanctioned them, especially since so much evil came out of them.
the first crusade was understandable, there were lots of attacks from muslim, raids agianst christian lands, spain was taken over, we had to strike back, the only spot that all the little waring kings would agree on is Jerusalem
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21st November 2008, 07:35 AM
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I think folks should familiarize themselves with how the Muslims came about and how they were able to grow so big. They used violence as a means to advance themselves and get what they want, just as they do today.
Then and now, we had/have to fight to keep the west safe and free and Christian. Israel must fight also, to keep their land, religion and culture because what the Muslims want is for this to be a Muslim world.
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21st November 2008, 09:17 AM
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21st November 2008, 09:41 AM
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