The 7 Deadly Sins Of The Christmas Tree

SpiritualAntiseptic · #31 17th November 2008, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by gjpogiatzis

the Bible implicitly condemns Christmas trees in the Bible in Jeremiah 10:2-6, for it highly resembles one of the ancient idols worshipped by the Jews, the tree cut out of the forest, decked with silver & gold, & fastened with nails. See my website "PRIMARY PROOF OF THE BIBLE" (type that in Google search engine) for a discussion of the tree & how even Santa Claus are inventions of Satan Claws to turn you away from Christ & His Word (the website even shows how the Bible demonstrates God's foreknowledge of 9/11, for instance in the destruction of the Tower of Babylon the tallest building in the world in the first 9 verses of Genesis 11 at the time when there is a world language).

I wasn't aware they celebrated Christmas in Jeremiah's time?

SpiritualAntiseptic · #32 17th November 2008, 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by stone

Most of everything that christians do have pagan\gentile roots.

EVERYTHING!

jeremiah 10 doesn't even speak of carving the tree, read it again, it simply speaks of cutting it down, fastening it, and decorating it. I don't care what you say, although i know those of you that do those things will justify yourselves like anyone else, i don't care what you do either, i will not have a pagan tree or a pagan clause in my house.

Santa Claus: he know when you are sleeping, when you are bad, when you are good, etc... HELLO!

*smacks you guys on the back of the head*

What you do is your business, what i do is mine. I do what is pleasing to god, you do what is pleasing to yourself.

Your reasoning is about as flawed as saying we shouldn't have anything made of gold- because the golden calf was made of melted gold and shaped by human hands.

The idea that the creation of an object is 'pagan' is totally absurd. You aren't doing something pagan by making some kind of object. Paganism is the belief in multiple deities, usually represented by man made idols. These idols are then worshipped.

The issue is worshipping an object, not the creation of it. When people make ceramic cows for cute kitchen decorations is that paganism? When you make a cow and worship it as a god, is that paganism? Yes.

Having a Christmas tree isn't pagan- because there is no worshipping of the object. Likewise, you can make an object or painting and not have it be pagan. You can also make any object pagan by worshipping it.

Wirraway · #33 17th November 2008, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by Yardstick

I think instead of worrying about the idolatry of a christmas tree we should look at how the original message has been warped by consumerism.

this IS the best post on this thread and succinctly states what the real issue is, not the imaginary perils of holiday decorations (so long as they're UL rated).

nesian · #34 18th November 2008, 06:20 AM

Ah Christmas trees. Mere decoration.
That's like saying balloons are a form of idoltary lol.

Catherineanne · #35 18th November 2008, 06:33 AM

Originally Posted by ValleyWalker2

Well, our family just bought a new idol this weekend because the old one was looking shabby. Er, I mean Christmas tree (I always get them mixed up).

Catherineanne · #36 18th November 2008, 06:38 AM

Originally Posted by Eph4:26

With respects to:

Gen 21:24
(Abraham) planted a tamarisk tree at Beersheba, and there he called on the name of the LORD, the Everlasting God.

So if Abraham can do this with a tamarisk, how come I can't do it with a Norwegian Spruce?

Take a look, if you have not already done so. Abraham loves worshipping (at?) trees. And God likes him.

QED.

Nadiine · #37 18th November 2008, 06:42 AM

Originally Posted by stone

Most of everything that christians do have pagan\gentile roots.

EVERYTHING!

jeremiah 10 doesn't even speak of carving the tree, read it again, it simply speaks of cutting it down, fastening it, and decorating it. I don't care what you say, although i know those of you that do those things will justify yourselves like anyone else, i don't care what you do either, i will not have a pagan tree or a pagan clause in my house.

Santa Claus: he know when you are sleeping, when you are bad, when you are good, etc... HELLO!

*smacks you guys on the back of the head*

What you do is your business, what i do is mine. I do what is pleasing to god, you do what is pleasing to yourself.

Well I disagree that we're being pagan in using trees as tradition we all grew up with....
but my husband and I don't buy a tree or even decorate for the holiday anymore.

I do semi get a conviction about the pagan similarity - but I really don't think it's "evil" unless someone worships the tree itself or nature or uses it in some form of ceremony becuz the pagans worshipped nature, we do not.

Most people today practice what they grew up with and it was harmless all those years & it's become family tradition.

One reason I stopped doing it is that it's just plain a money trap.
Honestly, add up all those decorations people buy - THAT is crazy to me.
This year I'll string up some lights in the house & that's our Christmas decor.

Eph4:26 · #38 18th November 2008, 06:44 AM

2. (The xmas tree) is a form of idolatry.

Originally Posted by Yarddog

Anything can be an idol. It starts with how a person looks at an object.

Originally Posted by elman

Not unless you are bowing and praying to it.

Originally Posted by Godschild87

How is putting presents under a tree idolatry? .

When I use the English word idolatry, I'm using it in the Biblical sense.

Rev. 17:5 -- And upon her forehead a name written, Mystery, Babylon the Great, The Mother of harlots and abominations of the earth.

* harlot - Greek : porne-an idolator; prostitute; " to sell"
* abomination - Greek : bdelgma- detestable; to stink

The Harlot of Babylon, the false world religion has corrupted man throughout history with idolatrous worship.

Gen. 11:4 -- "They said, Let us make us a name"

* name - Hebrew: Shem- honour; authority conspicuous position

In Gen. 11:4 Babylon rebelled against God; mothering all idol worship, founding their idolatrous system, when they said, "Let us make us a name." (honor self).

Pride is the foundation of all idolatry. A man is an idol worshippers (of self), when he says, "I will make a name for myself. I am known as an authority (name) by my idols (cars, houses, lands, things.) My position in the community will cause men to look up to me". This is an abomination. Pride is a stinking smell to God. Christians are to be living, acceptable, (pleasing) sacrifices. (Rom 12:1). Wicked-Spiritual Babylon, mother of idolatry, is the system of "pride" has always been here. It is what will pollute the world at the end of time.

In addition . . .

Luke 12:15 And he (Jesus) said unto them, Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man's life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth.

Eph 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

Col 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:

Covetousness = Idolatry

covetousness- greek: pleonektes- to want more; greediness

Idolatry = wanting more

Every man is covetous by nature until God deals with him and causes him to repent (turn from self to God). The word devil (daimon) means to distribute fortunes. A covetous man who "wants more" has a devil. Covetousness is the idolatrous worship of self. It is an idolatry as evil as falling down before Baal, the Asteroth, the christmas tree, the golden calf, or any one of the ancient pagan deities of Babylon.

Paul said, "having food and raiment, let us be there with content" (I Tim. 6:8). He also said, "I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content." (Phil. 4:11).

Men, myself included, are involved in idolatry when they refuse to be content with what they have. Their hearts cry out, "I want more."

Nadiine · #39 18th November 2008, 06:45 AM

Originally Posted by Catherineanne

So if Abraham can do this with a tamarisk, how come I can't do it with a Norwegian Spruce?

Take a look, if you have not already done so. Abraham loves worshipping (at?) trees. And God likes him.

QED.

um, that's planting a tree & it's not the same as taking it into your house & decorating it -
the quote in Jeremiah is pretty specific & detailed and it IS what people
do at Christmas.

So if anything, that looks like searching for loopholes while ignoring something specific.

Wirraway · #40 18th November 2008, 06:49 AM

Originally Posted by Eph4:26

...Covetousness is the idolatrous worship of self. It is an idolatry as evil as falling down before Baal, the Asteroth, the christmas tree, the golden calf, or any one of the ancient pagan deities of Babylon.

...

what, exactly, are you doing with that tree? all we do is hang stuff on it and put boxes underneath.