True or False: Hinduism or Christianity

Zoness · #41 3rd December 2008, 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by Sukumanu

Then please show where in the bible does it sy once th earth rotates around the sun. The Vedas easily does that more than once.

There is none, scientific evidence obviously supports Earth's revolution (rotation is the improper word as the Earther rotates itself as in night and day and then revolves around the sun at the same time) around the sun. The verse you quoted in the OP I interpet differently than that, even most Biblical literalists I know do not take that verse meaning that the Earth does not move.

Sukumanu · #42 9th December 2008, 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by arunma

I think you missed my point about why I object to the supposedly scientific interpretation of ancient literature.

The bible says it created the universe, stars, earth, etc but cannot mention a simple statement that the earth revolves around the sun!

baobobtree · #43 9th December 2008, 07:42 PM

Namaste Michael and Sukumanu.

Now this I agree with. In fact, I believe a majority of Hindu gods are false and simply made up to satisify the whims and fancies of peoples' lame imaginations.

How have you come to this conclusion? I doubt it was by studying our shastras (and if it was I am willing to bet it was done in a dubious matter), seeing as they are always in praise of Krishna, Rama, Vishnu, Shiva, Ganesha, Durga, Kali and all the other so called "false" gods who are "simply made up to satisfy the whims and fancies of people's lame imaginations".

Maha Upanisad: I-1-4. Then we shall expound the Mahopanishad. They say Narayana was alone. There were not Brahma, Shiva, Waters, Fire and Soma, Heaven and Earth, Stars, Sun and Moon. He could not be happy.

Narayana Upanisad: Narayana desired to create people. Because of this thought, Soul (prana) rose from him. Mind and all body parts, sky, air, light, water and the earth which can carry all these created beings took their form. From Narayana, Brahma was born. From Narayana, Rudra (Shiva) was born. From Narayana, Indra was born .From Narayana those people who rule these human beings were born. From Narayana, the twelve suns, eleven Rudras, Eight Vasus and all those meters (for writing) were born. All these function because of Narayana. All these end in Narayana. Thus is read, the Upanishads of Rig Veda.

Both Narayana Upanishad, and Maha Upanishad are what we'd call Vaishnava Upanishads. They are not a part of the the 11 Mukhya Upanishads, which are accepted by all schools of Vedanta as authoritive.

Zstar · #44 10th December 2008, 01:43 AM

Originally Posted by Sukumanu

The bible says it created the universe, stars, earth, etc but cannot mention a simple statement that the earth revolves around the sun!

If these cultures that scribed the works was of the Geocentric view that would explain some of the texts your wondering about. Consider our race has evolved over a long length of time- if the Prophet wrote now knowing the most current scientific data wouldn't he set forth the same things in words this Age could understand?

We both seem to be interested in things that are Cosmic. Are you familiar with this subject in the Vedas much? How about we consider some of that Vedic material? What Vedic age are we in, Kaliyuuga? Is it's length mentioned in the ancient Vedic texts?

SpiritualServant · #45 10th December 2008, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by Sukumanu

The bible says it created the universe, stars, earth, etc but cannot mention a simple statement that the earth revolves around the sun!

And that doesn't make sense to you? That the Earth exists is part of why I exist, since the Earth sustains me. Whether the Earth revolves around the sun or whether it revolves around a chuck of space debris does not matter, the Earth continues to sustain me. And besides, like plenty of people have already tried to explain, the Bible is a book used to learn how to live an upright and proper life here on Earth, not a book of astronomy.

arunma · #46 10th December 2008, 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by Sukumanu

The bible says it created the universe, stars, earth, etc but cannot mention a simple statement that the earth revolves around the sun!

This seems to be empty rhetoric at this point. It has been explained to you by Christians and even non-Christians why it would be a category mistake to expect to find evidence for the earth's revolution around the Sun in the Psalms. An idiot with Google could just as easily find Vedic passages referring to the world as sitting atop a stack of tortoises. What you've done is invent an expectation as to what sort of wording you ought to find in the Scriptures to support a heliocentric understanding of the universe, and then argue on the basis that you didn't find it.

baobobtree · #47 11th December 2008, 12:19 AM

An idiot with Google could just as easily find Vedic passages referring to the world as sitting atop a stack of tortoises.

Alright, why don't you do this then if you're going to claim such verses exist in the Vedas? I am aware that at one point this was a common folk belief throughout India, but as far as I'm aware this belief has no support in the Vedas, or other authentic shastras.

rcscwc · #48 3rd November 2009, 08:45 AM

Originally Posted by arunma

This seems to be empty rhetoric at this point. It has been explained to you by Christians and even non-Christians why it would be a category mistake to expect to find evidence for the earth's revolution around the Sun in the Psalms. An idiot with Google could just as easily find Vedic passages referring to the world as sitting atop a stack of tortoises. What you've done is invent an expectation as to what sort of wording you ought to find in the Scriptures to support a heliocentric understanding of the universe, and then argue on the basis that you didn't find it.

Yes, many idiots find that and quote that. But NONE quotes the exact verse from Vedas.

Hmmm. Vedas are hymns, not cosmology.

Supreme · #49 3rd November 2009, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by Sukumanu

Many Christians and Muslims claim Hinduism is a false religion. If that is the case, then please tell me which of the following verses, Veda and Bible, are false and true.

Sama Veda - Book 3: Chp 1: Decade 5, "O omnipotent God, the illuminator of sun and Lord of this moving world or what moveth not, we bow before thee, as unmilked kine bow before the calves!

Biblw - Psalm 93:1, "The LORD reigns, he is robed in majesty; the LORD is robed in majesty and is armed with strength. The world is firmly established; it cannot be moved."

So what is true? Does the earth revolve around the sun or does it firmly stay in one place?

By those two small, unrelated quotes from two very different holy scriptures speculating about something that was, at the time, not regarded as at all important, you have just converted me, as you've completely destroyed every grounds Christianity has. Thank you

Hawk007 · #50 3rd November 2009, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by baobobtree

Alright, why don't you do this then if you're going to claim such verses exist in the Vedas? I am aware that at one point this was a common folk belief throughout India, but as far as I'm aware this belief has no support in the Vedas, or other authentic shastras.

Hello Bao,

I have noticed that you believe Shiva is beautiful, I then went to see why you would think so, but I have noticed that there was not one pic of it without a serpent, which I myself do not really consider pretty, I see a serpent as poisonous and far from beautiful, does the serpent mean something?

Is Shiva a man or a women, it is difficult for me to make out, if you see people like that in the street they will be considered freaks, do you have people who uses Shiva as a role model...?

Thanks,