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16th November 2008, 10:35 AM
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Reps: 18,523,590,524,424,136 (power: 18,523,590,524,428) | | | There may be elements of any religion that as we evolve we recognize as misconceptions but at the same time there are elements there that are of virtue - to lump the whole together and label it seems to me like jumping to conclusions. Who ever came up with the concept of "inerrant word of God" itself? In contrast to who wrote it in the first place, us as un-perfect creatures - even if they were prompted by the Spirit of God unless God would pen it there is that room for error in the understanding and transmission through the centuries. Along the line of the question, although a differant verse, this comes to mind - Isaiah 40:25&26 "25To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One. 26Lift up your eyes on high, and behold who hath created these things, that bringeth out their host by number: he calleth them all by names by the greatness of his might, for that he is strong in power; not one faileth." This is a good example to the mis-conception and virture to me. First in verse 25 set's forth there is none equal to the Holy One God especially humankind who wrote in thier languages about the holy One God. Then in the next verse to paraphrase "not one of the stars faileth", at that time it would have seemed so but as we evovle and learn more about whats up there we know this is not true. Stars do explode and cease to shine and we have a name for that - Nebula. I'm not really here to debate this just tossing in my $0.02 as what I've found and believe reguarding the topic.
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16th November 2008, 12:40 PM
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When reading scriptures though you have to consider that there is literary symbolism which isn't necessarily scientific or meant to be..
Consider:
O ye men, are not women strong? great is the earth, high is
the heaven, swift is the sun in his course, for he compasseth
the heavens round about, and fetcheth his course again to his
own place in one day.
(Deuterocanonical Apocrypha, Esdras 1)
And so soon as the morning shall appear, and the sun shall
come forth upon the earth, take ye every one his weapons, and go
forth every valiant man out of the city, and set ye a captain
over them, as though ye would go down into the field toward the
watch of the Assyrians; but go not down.
(Deuterocanonical Apocrypha, Judith)
And from Hindu scripture:
They say: 'Let him mount the swing from east to west, like he who shines; for the sun mounts these worlds from east to west.'
(Upanishads vol. 1, Aitareya-Aranyaka Part 1)
When he says : 'The great stood in the midst of the worlds,' the great one in the midst of the world is meant for this Aditya, the sun.
(Upanishads vol. 1, Aitareya-Aranyaka Part 2)
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17th November 2008, 09:06 AM
|  | Member 26  | | Join Date: 12th April 2008 Location: Where am I? at 22, and seeking a goal for my life
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Reps: 20,122 (power: 24) | | Originally Posted by Sukumanu Then why are you here?
Because I can | 
19th November 2008, 05:40 PM
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How about true for both?
Works for us! :-)
Best,
Bruce | 
19th November 2008, 08:42 PM
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19th November 2008, 09:03 PM
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Reps: 2,192,953,359,583,585 (power: 2,192,953,359,588) | | Originally Posted by Sukumanu Many Christians and Muslims claim Hinduism is a false religion. If that is the case, then please tell me which of the following verses, Veda and Bible, are false and true.
Sama Veda - Book 3: Chp 1: Decade 5, "O omnipotent God, the illuminator of sun and Lord of this moving world or what moveth not, we bow before thee, as unmilked kine bow before the calves!
Biblw - Psalm 93:1, "The LORD reigns, he is robed in majesty; the LORD is robed in majesty and is armed with strength. The world is firmly established; it cannot be moved."
So what is true? Does the earth revolve around the sun or does it firmly stay in one place? Maybe this is off topic but when you mentioned the Sun, I remembered the ones who said there is no Hell. But the Sun is a huge living proof that Hell exist. And they just see it everyday and the funny thing is that they say, oh what a bright day is today, a sunny day, hot day...etc They see the example of Hell everyday. Allah/God/YHWH shows us our reward and punishment everyday. The Sun, the Stars and the Moon. In the day time what we consider the time to gain our living is good but there was the Sun, the punishment is shining but in reality it is burning. At night we rest and we sleep in peace in the dark which means peacefulness and safety as areward for the hard work we do during the day time. And that's why prophet Muhammed ( peace be upon him ) said in the Judgment Day, the Sun gets closer to the Earth which means that the Earth will stop moving and the whole world will be in a day time for the Sun getting closer to Earth, so all the parts of the world will be in day time. May Allah/God/YHWH protect us from His anger at that day and lay His mercy on us. In the reward time we are asleep in the punishment time we are awake???!!!! And that's why the Creator said that in the Judgment Day, people will be confronted with their sins that they thought they are good work of their own. At that time they can see the truth. Praise be to the Almighty. | 
19th November 2008, 10:45 PM
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Reps: 9,231,983,783,496,876 (power: 9,231,983,783,502) | | Originally Posted by Sukumanu Well this particular Sama Veda verse is referring to Indra, not Brahma. Although it is true gods and goddesses are all parts and parcels of 1 God.
Yes, Lord Krishna is the Supreme Lord, and the other devas and devis (gods and goddesses) are His parts and parcels. However, the teaching that all the devas and devis are simply different forms or facets of the Supreme Lord is called the Mayavada philosophy, which the Scriptures attest to be false. It is a very fine distinction. To read more about the distinction, click here. | 
20th November 2008, 10:42 AM
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Reps: 42,494,092,675,237,656 (power: 42,494,092,675,245) | | Originally Posted by dnihila But the Sun is a huge living proof that Hell exist. EXCEPT, of course, that hell isn't a physical place, but the condition of spiritual remoteness from God, just as Heaven is spiritual nearness to God! (And yes, I was taught this same thing in the Christian Church as well as in the Baha'i Faith.) Peace, Bruce | 
20th November 2008, 11:24 AM
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Reps: 2,192,953,359,583,585 (power: 2,192,953,359,588) | | Originally Posted by BruceDLimber EXCEPT, of course, that hell isn't a physical place, but the condition of spiritual remoteness from God, just as Heaven is spiritual nearness to God! (And yes, I was taught this same thing in the Christian Church as well as in the Baha'i Faith.) Peace, Bruce Then why fire burn our skin? Why do we have sun strokes? Why some people die after having severe burns? This life is the life of work and the after life is the life of reward or punishments and if your body can move while you are asleep and you can see dreams and feel frightened or happy although you are alive on this earth, then this means that we are going to be punished or rewarded by body and soul. Because punishing dead bodies is meningless without souls and punishing souls is meaningless without bodies to feel the punishment. we are not created from water alone or flame of fire but we are created from dust and dust is the first thing the Almighty used to creat adam then He blew the soul into it, dust is a material to be felt and the soul is sacred for its origin which is the Almighty's soul. So, how people are going to take this sacred soul that Allah/God/YHWH gave them into Hell to be burned? How? This soul is what made them alive and it is not the cause of their sins. Because the soul has no hands or legs to commit sins but it was carried against its will to commit sin. In thier skin , the sins exist and for the sinned body parts, they should be punished for the soul which made those body parts alive, the soul doesn't deserve to be punished. The first thing to go to Hell, is the skin or the dust to feel the punishment. | 
26th November 2008, 10:21 PM
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