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4th December 2008, 02:33 PM
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Reps: 215,676,647,067,965,440 (power: 215,676,647,067,988) | | | It is intellectual dishonesty to claim that relics are not worshipped. Just look at how many people treat them, or the supposed mary images in toast. Just look at how some people react when someone else tries to point out the biblical approach to such things.
Do some people view relics in a proper light? Of course, but to deny that they are worshipped is wrong.
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5th December 2008, 08:25 PM
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Reps: 20,294,279,793,673,364 (power: 20,294,279,793,690) | | Originally Posted by simonthezealot  The hemorraging woman was healed by faith...NOT a robe or a shadow, sheesh...that analogy flies in the face of all the NT
People belive in the bible by faith not by conclusive proof.
People belive in the power of God in relics by faith not by conclusive proof.
It only flies in the face of dbl standards being presented.
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5th December 2008, 08:29 PM
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Reps: 20,294,279,793,673,364 (power: 20,294,279,793,690) | | Originally Posted by mont974x4 It is intellectual dishonesty to claim that relics are not worshipped. Just look at how many people treat them, or the supposed mary images in toast. Just look at how some people react when someone else tries to point out the biblical approach to such things.
Do some people view relics in a proper light? Of course, but to deny that they are worshipped is wrong.
Probably because when others use a "biblical approach." More often then not it's a double standard at aimed at the "error" of someone's ways.
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5th December 2008, 08:38 PM
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Reps: 240,868,224,634,014,624 (power: 240,868,224,634,037) | | Originally Posted by mont974x4 It is intellectual dishonesty to claim that relics are not worshipped. Just look at how many people treat them, or the supposed mary images in toast. Just look at how some people react when someone else tries to point out the biblical approach to such things.
Do some people view relics in a proper light? Of course, but to deny that they are worshipped is wrong.
is the opposite of worship disrespect?
people just respect relics. Worship is not defined by external actions or how it "looks like", but by the intention. And only God and the people who venerate relics know their intentions.
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6th December 2008, 06:25 PM
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Reps: 160,133,279,627,569 (power: 160,133,279,642) | | Originally Posted by lionroar0 Which has nothing to do with Christian relics.
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It's the same thing, only with a "Christian" veneer.
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Reps: 160,133,279,627,569 (power: 160,133,279,642) | | If these aren’t examples of the use of relics, what are? 2 Kings 18:4 (English Standard Version) 4 He removed the high places and broke the pillars and cut down the Asherah. And he broke in pieces the bronze serpent that Moses had made, for until those days the people of Israel had made offerings to it (it was called Nehushtan).
That was, until Hezekiah did right by God and destroyed it. You should do the same with your "holy prepuces," "sacred lances," "true crosses," and other assorted "sacred" relics.
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O Jehovah, our Lord, how majestic is Your name in all the earth; You have set Your glory above the heavens!
Psa 8:2 Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings, You have ordained strength, because of the ones distressing You, to cause the enemy and the avenger to cease.
Psa 8:3 When I look upon Your heavens, the work of Your fingers: the moon and the stars which You have fixed;
Psa 8:4 what is man that You are mindful of him, and the son of man, that You visit him?
Psa 8:5 For You have made him lack a little from God; and have crowned him with glory and honor.
Psa 8:6 You made him rule over the works of Your hands; You have put all under his feet:
Psa 8:7 all flocks and oxen, and also the animals of the field,
Psa 8:8 the birds of the heavens, and the fish of the sea, all that pass through the sea.
Psa 8:9 O Jehovah, our Lord, how majestic is Your name in all the earth!
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7th December 2008, 01:37 PM
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Reps: 20,294,279,793,673,364 (power: 20,294,279,793,690) | | Originally Posted by Brennin It's the same thing, only with a "Christian" veneer.
The same thing can has been said about much of christianity.
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7th December 2008, 01:38 PM
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Reps: 20,294,279,793,673,364 (power: 20,294,279,793,690) | | Originally Posted by Brennin 2 Kings 18:4 (English Standard Version)
4 He removed the high places and broke the pillars and cut down the Asherah. And he broke in pieces the bronze serpent that Moses had made, for until those days the people of Israel had made offerings to it (it was called Nehushtan).
That was, until Hezekiah did right by God and destroyed it. You should do the same with your "holy prepuces," "sacred lances," "true crosses," and other assorted "sacred" relics.
Why stop there? Why not Bibles? Let just go back to "me and Jesus"
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Reps: 20,294,279,793,673,364 (power: 20,294,279,793,690) | | Originally Posted by MamaZ Why have them?
Why not?
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