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3rd November 2008, 03:55 AM
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Namaste all,
i have zero confidence that this thread will remain open and/or that it will engender any serious consideration.
in any event... i've explored many facets of the Christian paradigm, explored many different view points and dialoged with seemingly knowledgeable Christians.
perhaps there is some area which i've overlooked which would, upon examination, allow me to see your religion in a positive light.. even encourage me to reconsider it's merits and it's potential benefits for a sentient being.
you can skip Sunday school 100-400 and move right into the advanced classes, if you'd care to. if, however, you'd rather focus on the basics of the tradition there is no reasonable way to prevent such from happening.
so there it is.
ETA: i use some non-English words in my posts, i assure you they aren't "devil talk" or "satan speech" or "black magic" or any of the myriad superstitions that Christians seem to have.
metta,
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3rd November 2008, 05:29 AM
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3rd November 2008, 07:19 AM
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,857,412) | | Originally Posted by vajradhara  perhaps there is some area which i've overlooked which would, upon examination, allow me to see your religion in a positive light..
Did you explore how that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us --- Originally Posted by Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
--- the Just for the unjust? Originally Posted by 1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
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3rd November 2008, 02:17 PM
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Namaste ebia,
thank you for the post.
mainly that i've explored your tradition and formed my conclusion. i am, however, quite ready to accept that i've overlooked some compelling bit of information which would change my mind.
i'm curious as to your thoughts regarding areas of your theology which i should look into more closely given that i have studied the basics of your tradition in some considerable depth.
nothing more sinister than that.
metta,
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3rd November 2008, 02:22 PM
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thank you for the post. Originally Posted by AV1611VET Did you explore how that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us ------ the Just for the unjust?
as that is one of the most basic tenets of the tradition, i have.
that is why, for instance, i suggested moving right past the Sunday school lessons and into the more advanced theological arguments and positions.
metta,
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3rd November 2008, 02:46 PM
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If you'd like to move out of Sunday School and go toe-to-toe with a KJVO, sola Scriptura, Independent Fundamental Baptist in the --- as you call it --- "advanced classes", just let me know. I'll show you plenty of areas you overlooked --- starting with Genesis 1.
If not, do like they say: If you can't play with the big dogs, stay on the porch --- 
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3rd November 2008, 04:11 PM
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thank you for the post.
i don't suppose that i can make my request more plain.
however, in my dialogs with you in the past you present your information as if there can be no disagreement and, if there is, you either claim that the being in disagreement doesn't understand your point or demonize them in some manner.
consequently, if you are not interested in discussing the information that you present you may as well withdraw from the conversation as i am not really keen on rehashing the same arguments. if you are interested in discussion for the areas that you feel are important then i'm all for it.
the ball, as they say, is in your court.
metta,
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3rd November 2008, 04:41 PM
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Hey guys, before posting a single post in this thread, please review both the CF rules and the Forum rules. Please remember to post completely 100% on-topic.
This is a reminder letter, not a thread closure. I have had to delete two messages already and it hasn't even gone past the first page.
For clarification, the OP's topic at hand is as follows: perhaps there is some area which i've overlooked which would, upon examination, allow me to see your religion in a positive light.. even encourage me to reconsider it's merits and it's potential benefits for a sentient being.
If I am mistaken, please correct me 
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3rd November 2008, 05:51 PM
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thank you for the post.
i don't suppose that i can make my request more plain.
however, in my dialogs with you in the past you present your information as if there can be no disagreement and, if there is, you either claim that the being in disagreement doesn't understand your point or demonize them in some manner.
consequently, if you are not interested in discussing the information that you present you may as well withdraw from the conversation as i am not really keen on rehashing the same arguments. if you are interested in discussion for the areas that you feel are important then i'm all for it.
the ball, as they say, is in your court.
metta,
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How about this aspect of Orthodox Christian spirituality?: http://orthodoxwiki.org/Theosis I am sorry that my time online is limited & I may not be able to respond immediately but will try if this concept is something you are looking for. I would like to add though, the Sunday school basics to love God & neighbor as ourself, the 10 commandments, the Beatitudes, Christ's atonement for our salvation, the virgin birth etc. underly anything else of a more spiritual nature. Jesus Christ is Lord and Saviour. |
3rd November 2008, 09:03 PM
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Hi, how well versed are you in the Hebrew scripture? One thing that the Jewish and Christian scriptures have, that your text lacks is prophetic scripture. That is why I asked if you have any knowledge of the subject. Could you explain Daniels 70 week prophecy? I ask that specific prophecy, because it is the "backbone" of prophetic scripture. Let me know where you stand, and we will continue the conversation.
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Isaiah 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me 10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure
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A man isn't a sinner because he sins. He sins because he is a sinner. Thats the trouble with him. That's why he needs to be born again. Thats why John the Baptist came saying, "Cut it down completely. Let there be a new thing altogether." The axe is laid to the root of the trees.
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