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25th October 2008, 09:23 AM
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Reps: 1,279,750,349,117,398 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by texastig  As a Christian do you believe that sex outside of marriage (where marriage has always been defined as between a man and woman) is sin? Sin, sin, sin ...is that all that occupies your mind? We ALL sin, texastig, and ALL includes you. So, what IS this tangent you're on for calling out homosexuals for sinning when YOU yourself sin? Tell me P L E A S E, what IS the difference between YOUR sins and the sins of others? Do you - and others on this subforum - REALLY not realize that you're the pot calling the kettle black? You know what? ...you're a hypocrite Mr. texastig because you're casting stones. Gee, this kind of thing makes me sick! If you REALLY need to pick on sinners pick on the HUNDREDS of divorcees and remarrieds in your neighborhood who are - biblically speaking - living in adultery. |
25th October 2008, 09:36 AM
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Reps: 7,336,255,455,289,046 (power: 7,336,255,455,297) | | Originally Posted by *Starlight* Well, it all depends on how someone defines marriage.
But what does it matter here? Whether homosexuality is a sin or not should have nothing to do with the laws regarding homosexuality.
Jesus defines marriage. Remember, this is Jesus speaking.
Mar 10:6
But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
Mar 10:7
For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
It matters to God because it is sin and those who live in that lifestyle will die in their sin.
As Christians we need to tell homosexuals that God can and is willingly to deliver them. They must surrender to Him and take up their cross.
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The Bible states that those who fornicate (living that lifestyle) will not inherit the Kingdom of God be it between homosexuals or men and woman who are not married. (Gal 5:19-21).
Again, I urge anyone who supports homosexual marriage to repent of their sin. |
25th October 2008, 09:46 AM
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Reps: 7,336,255,455,289,046 (power: 7,336,255,455,297) | | If we live in sin, we will die in our sins and not go to Heaven. I don't live in the homosexual life style so I'm not a hypocrite.
If I was living the homosexual life style and telling people it's wrong then I'd be a hypocrite.
This is the debate on homosexuality forum, not the divorcee or remarried forum.
I love the sinner but not the sin. I tell everyone who is sinning to turn to God and to take up their cross.
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TT Originally Posted by KCKID Sin, sin, sin ...is that all that occupies your mind? We ALL sin, texastig, and ALL includes you. So, what IS this tangent you're on for calling out homosexuals for sinning when YOU yourself sin? Tell me P L E A S E, what IS the difference between YOUR sins and the sins of others? Do you - and others on this subforum - REALLY not realize that you're the pot calling the kettle black? You know what? ...you're a hypocrite Mr. texastig because you're casting stones.
Gee, this kind of thing makes me sick! If you REALLY need to pick on sinners pick on the HUNDREDS of divorcees and remarrieds in your neighborhood who are - biblically speaking - living in adultery.
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The Bible states that those who fornicate (living that lifestyle) will not inherit the Kingdom of God be it between homosexuals or men and woman who are not married. (Gal 5:19-21).
Again, I urge anyone who supports homosexual marriage to repent of their sin. |
25th October 2008, 09:49 AM
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Reps: 9,326,004,923,863,128 (power: 9,326,004,923,945) | | Originally Posted by texastig Jesus defines marriage. Remember, this is Jesus speaking.
Mar 10:6
But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
Mar 10:7
For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
That's simply a description of what most people do, not a definition saying what everyone must do. If you see it as a definition in the way that everyone must do it, then it would be against celibacy in the same way as against homosexuality. Originally Posted by texastig It matters to God because it is sin and those who live in that lifestyle will die in their sin.
As Christians we need to tell homosexuals that God can and is willingly to deliver them. They must surrender to Him and take up their cross.
Well, sexual orientation isn't something that can be changed.
But what does it have to do with laws regarding homosexual marriage?
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25th October 2008, 10:18 AM
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Reps: 7,336,255,455,289,046 (power: 7,336,255,455,297) | | Originally Posted by *Starlight* That's simply a description of what most people do, not a definition saying what everyone must do.
If you see it as a definition in the way that everyone must do it, then it would be against celibacy in the same way as against homosexuality.
Your correct everyone doesn't have to be married. But it still doesn't give a license to have sex outside of marriage. Originally Posted by *Starlight* Well, sexual orientation isn't something that can be changed.
It can be changed by submitting to God and taking up our cross.
It's just like any other sin.
People have changed because they submitted to God and took up
their cross. Originally Posted by *Starlight* But what does it have to do with laws regarding homosexual marriage?
If laws are passed for homosexual marriage then everyone will be forced to
abide by those laws even if they don't believe in homosexual marriage.
For example:
An evangelical Christian photographer was brought before the New Mexico Human Rights Commission after she declined for religious reasons to photograph a same-sex commitment ceremony and she was fined.
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The Bible states that those who fornicate (living that lifestyle) will not inherit the Kingdom of God be it between homosexuals or men and woman who are not married. (Gal 5:19-21).
Again, I urge anyone who supports homosexual marriage to repent of their sin. |
25th October 2008, 10:20 AM
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Reps: 10,219,569,387,278,330 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by texastig They are pushing their stuff down Americas throats which is wrong.
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What do you mean? Please be specific. I am homosexual, but I have never "pushed anything down anyones throat".
By being vague, I think you are being disingenuous. Cite a specific example of something being forced on you, and we can discuss it. Otherwise this is a nonsense statement. |
25th October 2008, 10:23 AM
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Then please explain all the personal testimony of homosexuals who have prayed and prayed to have their homosexuality changed and their orientation shifts not an inch?
Sexual orientation is certainly as firmly rooted as master handedness, and possibly as firmly rooted as eye colour. Are you interested in a genuine discussion, or do you just want to make baseless, vague statements? |
25th October 2008, 10:38 AM
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Reps: 7,336,255,455,289,046 (power: 7,336,255,455,297) | | Originally Posted by EnemyPartyII Then please explain all the personal testimony of homosexuals who have prayed and prayed to have their homosexuality changed and their orientation shifts not an inch?
They must confess their sins, repent of their sins and be delivered.
The devil counterfeits the true things of God.
How about the personal testimonies of homosexuals who have been
delivered from homosexuality like Dennis Jernigan? Originally Posted by EnemyPartyII Sexual orientation is certainly as firmly rooted as master handedness, and possibly as firmly rooted as eye colour.
There is no scientific proof that homosexuality is rooted. It is a choice. Originally Posted by EnemyPartyII Are you interested in a genuine discussion, or do you just want to make baseless, vague statements?
Why do you think I'm here for? I don't make baseless vague statements.
Homosexuality is sin as the Bible states and just like any other sin, people
can be freed from it.
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The Bible states that those who fornicate (living that lifestyle) will not inherit the Kingdom of God be it between homosexuals or men and woman who are not married. (Gal 5:19-21).
Again, I urge anyone who supports homosexual marriage to repent of their sin. |
25th October 2008, 10:43 AM
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The devil counterfeits the true things of God.
How about the personal testimonies of homosexuals who have been
delivered from homosexuality like Dennis Jernigan?
How about you answer my question rather than obfuscate... if what you say is true, why doesn't prayer change EVERY homosexual who sincerely prays to be changed? There is no scientific proof that homosexuality is rooted. It is a choice.
Nonsense. And I have the scientific consensus to back me up. want links?
Choice? Please. If that ridiculous claim were true you'd be able to "choose" to be homosexual for 5 minutes and then turn back. Bet you can't. I don't make baseless vague statements.
well, that "homosexuals are forcing thier immorality on us" is pretty vague and baseless, thats why I asked you to clarify. Homosexuality is sin as the Bible states and just like any other sin, people
can be freed from it.
Really? Where does the Bible say "Homosexuality is a sin"? Nowhere. You may, depending on your personal (mis)translation, be able to find a passage that arguably condemns homosexual ACTS, but nowhere does the Bible say it is sinful to be a homosexual. |
25th October 2008, 10:48 AM
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From this, it appears to me that he has generalized that every person of same-sex orientation is a would-be molester and that he has a license to circulate lies about them in an effort to prevent them from striking again. This, I find offensive on many levels.
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