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Are new souls created by god? They dont ever come back to earth do they?
People are given souls at conception. They are then born and sin throughout their lives. They have an entire lifetime to repent of that sin.
But I am asking why would god create the bible in the first place when he was fully aware people were goig to misuse it and cause killing and wars.
That somebody misuses something does not make it bad or negate the good that it does.
He could have saved those people from death if he never created the bible.
I disagree. They still would have died. Everybody dies. The only difference is that they would have lived a few more years, but now they would have gone to Hell because they didn't have the Bible to show them how they could be saved.
I am starting to see contradiction and omnipotence go hand in hand.
Yeah, that reminds me. Back when you so boldly stated that the Bible was full of contradictions, I asked you for just three examples. I'm still waiting for those.
For example, if god was good and truely had good intentions he would have never created anything that would ultimately end up suffering, especially when he knows before the fact that his creation would end up suffering.
Why?
Hypothetically speaking it would be like if I decided to have a child, and I knew the child was going to contract aids and die at age 15 Would I have the baby? And if I did who would be at fault?
Nobody would be at fault. If you have children, they're going to die. They might die of AIDS at fifteen or they might die in their sleep at 90.
If I somehow knew I was going to give birth to a child that was going to ultimately suffer and die I would not give birth.
Then I hope you never have children. Everybody suffers and then dies.
When I say bad I mean wars
Which war, specifically, did the Bible say to start?
like the crusades
I taught history for many years at both the high school and college levels and I don't know if you're aware of this or not, but pretty much everything people believe about the crusades is exactly the opposite of the way it actually happened.
The Crusades were a good thing and the world would be a very dark and dangerous place had they not taken place. Thank God for the Crusades.
He created the person who led the crusaders to kill jews
The Crusaders did not kill Jews. The Crusaders fought alongside the Jews to help defeat Islam, which was killing the Jews.
Im not totally sure about the book where god tells moses to build an ark, but he kills everyone on the planet save moses and some animals?
And He was right to do so. Once again, you ignore the fact that God pleaded with people to repent so that they would not die.
This I find very hard to grasp, I have done alot of reading about this, and from what I understand homosexuality is mentioned 6 times in the bible.
It doesn't matter if it says it six times or six million times. Even if it only said it once, it would still be true.
And I guess it is all left up to interpretation, but from what I read I do not think god condemns homosexuality.
Yeah, try that one in a court of law sometime: "Well, sure, your honor, I know you believe the sign said 'STOP' but that isn't how I interpreted it at all".
I really, really , really do not under stand the christian churches deep "hatred" ,what ever you want to, call it for the homosexuals.
We don't hate homosexuals at all. If we did, then we wouldn't present the Gospel to them so that they might be saved. If we hated them, then we would want them to go to Hell.
Would you please post a quote from the bible that you think is condemning homosexuality. I am really interested to see how you are interpreting it.
Leviticus 18:22 calls homosexuality an abomination.
Leviticus 20:13 calls homosexuality a detestable act.
1 Cor 6:9-10 calls homosexuals "unrighteous" and points out that they will not inherit the Kingdom of God.
Romans 1:26-28 tells us that homosexuality is "unnatural" and "indecent". It tells us that God was so angered by their actions that He essentially gave them what they wanted and let them carry on in their sin, only to face His wrath at the end.
Yeah, that reminds me. Back when you so boldly stated that the Bible was full of contradictions, I asked you for just three examples. I'm still waiting for those.
1. Good god is the biggest condradiction in the bible. Someone good, righteous would never condemn someone to hell for all eternity, regardless of the circumstances. I would not condemn my worst enemy to hell, and the bible says god to be infinitely more compassionate than humans are capable of.
Meanwhile, the LORD instructed one of the group of prophets to say to another man, "Strike me!" But the man refused to strike the prophet. Then the prophet told him, "Because you have not obeyed the voice of the LORD, a lion will kill you as soon as you leave me." And sure enough, when he had gone, a lion attacked and killed him. (1 Kings 20:35-36 NLT)
Does this seem compassionate? Look down for the time god said it was punishably by death to strike ones father, god is father to all humans? So God was tricking this man, he was going to kill him either way.
No good being can kill and remain righteous/holy.
2. God gave humans free will, they are choosing to go to hell by not repenting. Say I put a gun to someones head and say, "give me your wallet or I will shoot you." That might be free will in your eyes, but I see circumstantial will. No one is going to let the robber shoot them. Free means to give or receive something with out an expectation of return. So to truely have free will humans must not to feared into doing something.
3. And third is the worst of all. Christians say to follow the word of god, which is the bible. People pick out certain parts to follow and ignore others like they weren't in the bible.
Kill Homosexuals "If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
Kill Fortunetellers A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)
Death for Hitting Dad Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
Death for Adultery If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
Death for Fornication A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
Death to Followers of Other Religions Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
Kill Nonbelievers They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
Have you ever witnessed one of these events? How about the last one, kill nonbelievers, god says not to kill, then he says to kill nonbelievers. Well, I am sure you have met a non believer before, did you kill him? If you take all the words of god equally seriously you will find yourself in very contradictory situations.
Should I kill this non believer /follower to another religion /fornicator /adulter /father striker /fortuneteller /homosexual like god says or should I not kill another person like god says? They are both god's will right? Either way you are going to follow gods will and upset him at the same time, which will result in damnation in hell for all eternity. Catch 22
Im look at this with unbiased eye's, I do not understand how people can read the bible and still believe the words in it. It is really quite interesting how people can have such different views
Someone good, righteous would never condemn someone to hell for all eternity, regardless of the circumstances.
I disagree. If God is good, then He must punish sin.
If a man raped and murdered a little girl, would you think the judge was a good judge if he said, "OK, there's no doubt that you raped and killed that little girl. You've even admitted it. But because I'm a nice judge, I'm going to let you go."
Of course you wouldn't think he's a good judge. You'd demand his head on a platter because you know that the rapist must be punished.
I would not condemn my worst enemy to hell, and the bible says god to be infinitely more compassionate than humans are capable of.
Does this seem compassionate?
Yes, the fact that God would die for sinners and plead with them to repent so that they might not have to go to Hell is very compassionate.
Look down for the time god said it was punishably by death to strike ones father, god is father to all humans? So God was tricking this man, he was going to kill him either way.
I have no idea what that means.
No good being can kill and remain righteous/holy.
Why not?
God gave humans free will, they are choosing to go to hell by not repenting.
I agree.
Say I put a gun to someones head and say, "give me your wallet or I will shoot you." That might be free will in your eyes, but I see circumstantial will.
I agree, but that is not the case with Christianity. That is simply not what Christianity teaches, no matter how badly you may want to paint it that way.
3. And third is the worst of all. Christians say to follow the word of god, which is the bible.
That's a bad thing? The Bible says that we're to have mercy, that we're to show compassion, that we're to help the poor. Are those really bad things?
Have you ever witnessed one of these events?
You're ignoring what I said. These things were laws specifically for the nation of Israel under the Old Covenant. The Old Covenant no longer exists and neither does the nation of Israel (the modern day state of Israel is not the same as the nation of Israel spoken of in the Bible).
Why should we follow laws that were not given to us?
Im look at this with unbiased eye's
I don't think you do.
I think the fact that you continue to ignore what I say and continue to want to apply OC laws to us in order to try to paint Christianity in a bad light shows that you're very biased.
I think I've tried very hard to answer your questions but it looks like you're ignoring everything I say, so this will be my last post to you.
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