I had used that terminology because even though Pentecostals have their own forum, they may also post in the SF/C main forum as part of the overarching Spirit-filled community. Do you think that they would feel disenfranchised if they were not specificially mentioned, or do you think that "Spirit-filled and Charismatic believers..." includes Pentecostals by definition? (as in "All Pentecostals are SF, but not all SF are Pentecostals" or something like that)
they would be no more disenfranchised than WOF would be, but i can see your point. thanks for mentioning it.
All discussion/debate/teaching threads will be moved to the Debate subforum.
this is excellent! it removes the age-old question as to whether a post is discussion or debate, and when that line is crossed.
if ALL of the discussion and teaching posts begin in the debate forum, then i think members would feel more free to respond without having to worry if they are crossing a line.
it would also change the nature of the main forum back to one where fellowship, prayer, fun threads, worship, and community were stressed again.
that would be a very good thing!
(and if the Debate forum were renamed "Discussion/Debate/Teaching" then it would be clear as to what posts belong there).
The portion of the fsg's that I copied here is actually a matter of interpretation. Some, but definitely not all, well recognized SF/PC groups would agree with it. Others would say that office of prophet, when speaking, may be operating in not only word of knowledge/word of wisdom.. but also possibly in the gifts of prophecy, discerning of spirits, tongues/interpretation, etc.
this is excellent! it removes the age-old question as to whether a post is discussion or debate, and when that line is crossed.
if ALL of the discussion and teaching posts begin in the debate forum, then i think members would feel more free to respond without having to worry if they are crossing a line.
it would also change the nature of the main forum back to one where fellowship, prayer, fun threads, worship, and community were stressed again.
that would be a very good thing!
(and if the Debate forum were renamed "Discussion/Debate/Teaching" then it would be clear as to what posts belong there).
Granted it would be much easier but I personaly do not want to wade through the debate to get to the teaching.
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The main reason behind the [NO DEBATE] tag was so that teaching and discussion threads did not denigrate into endless debate about why 'x' isn't 'y'. To move discussion and teaching threads into the debate area could end quite a bit of discussion and most likely all teaching threads. IMO
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Not quite. When you die, your body dies. It is not "healed". It "dies". Your spirit lives on for eternity, but your body is not "ultimately healed". It is dead.
perhaps, but shouldn't there be space in a teaching thread for questions and comments? how else would the teacher know that they are understood.
another possibility would be for the teacher to blog the teaching, and then open a thread for comments/discussion on it. that way the teaching itself isn't interrupted, and yet feedback is allowed.
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The framework for teaching/discussion/debate in the default FSGs is that only members may do so. Non-members are limited to fellowship posts. And membership is determined by the Statement of Faith in the FSGs. The membership and the SoF go hand-in-hand.
So that is the reason why teaching, discussion, and debate are often treated similarly in the FSGs. It is focusing on WHO may teach, discuss, and debate.
In this case, however, we are not talking about who may teach/discuss/debate, because the people involved are already members of SF/C. The question before us instead is WHERE should teaching, discussion, and debate take place.
We may want to split these out, or we can keep them together. If we split them out, I would suggest we keep discussion and debate together, because it is very, very hard for moderators to consistently determine where the line crosses from discussion to debate. Better to treat them the same.
So the options might be:
"All teaching, discussion, and debate threads should be started in the Debate subforum. Threads that become teaching, discussion, or debate threads will be moved there by staff."
This would keep the main forum as fellowship-only. Some forums use this model very happily. This would make members go to the Debate subforum for any teaching, which can be annoying. But it would neatly separate the fellowship threads from the non-fellowship threads. And very seldom will there be teaching threads that do not have some discussion/debate involved, especially when you have believers with such differences of opinion on doctrine. If you do this, I would suggest we request a forum name change, so that it is clear that the subforum is for teaching as well.
"You may post teaching and fellowship threads in the main forum. You may post discussion and debate threads in the Debate subforum. Teaching threads that become discussion/debate threads will be moved to the Debate subforum."
This would allow teaching threads in the main forum, so people don't have to go to Debate to read them. However, I think this would still be likely to engender problems when teaching threads become discussion/debate threads. Keep in mind that the demon-possession threads that began this whole discussion started as "teaching" threads. With the varieties of doctrine that are encompassed by the broad umbrella of "Spirit-filled/Charismatic", we may do well to anticipate that any teaching thread will have those who disagree and debate it. Baptism of the Spirit, speaking in tongues, healing, possession, prayer, end times, the meaning of the atonement... these all have the potential to be controversial topics when brought up in SF/C, and that's just off the top of my head.
Either option has its good points and its potential problems.
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Considering all of the different viewpoints represented in SF/C, I think it almost a given that almost all teaching threads will turn into debates.
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Considering all of the different viewpoints represented in SF/C, I think it almost a given that almost all teaching threads will turn into debates.
what if we ask that those opening a teaching thread to mark it as "Teaching" in the same way that prophesy threads are marked.
that way the threads would at least be easier to find.
"All teaching, discussion, and debate threads should be started in the Debate subforum. Threads that become teaching, discussion, or debate threads will be moved there by staff."
This would keep the main forum as fellowship-only.
i like this option best as it addresses problems before they start.
Granted it would be much easier but I personaly do not want to wade through the debate to get to the teaching. 
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