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Originally Posted by brinny
in an earlier post i wrote:
God.
man.
This is a test.
Where might be possibly going with this?
hast thou no detective skills? Perhaps it be-eth time to get thyself off the merry-go-round and learn them, then?
Originally Posted by Borel
I posted this thread to learn what Christians here thought about non-belief being a sin punishable by hell, not to practice my detective skills.
So, you believe that non-believers are just denying something they deep down know exists and deserve to burn in hell?
yes. and well detective skills are important any which'a way ya go in life.....they're something God blessed me with and i love them...they're what gives life a zest and a sense of adventure....and they're the antithesis to boredom....
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To sustain the belief that there is no God, atheism has to demonstrate infinite knowledge, which is tantamount to saying, "I have infinite knowledge that there is no being in existence with infinite knowledge" --Ravi Zacharias
"God is in the rain."~Evey in V for Vendetta
"The unexamined life is not worth living". ~Socrates
i hated it when God insisted i "yawp!"
but He knew i must,
and that my life would not begin,
until i yawped.
We all must learn to yawp.
we MUST awaken the passion,
that part of us that feels intensely,
and is NOT afraid to say so
or to express it.
Otherwise we are just dead men walking.
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Dear Borel. May I ask who told you that non-belief means eternal torture? For men and women who do,not or cannot believe, there is a place in Outer Darkness, without God`s Love or Light. God is not forcing anybody to return to Him, and if a person does not want to, what else could be done? When God raised Jesus, after He was crucified and died on the Cross, Jesus is with God-Father, and Death had lost its sting. There is no more death, we will either return to God, or will live eternity in the place without God. When we come to the end of our earthly life, and have left our earthly bodies behind, our souls will not die. And for the voice from heaven, or such sign from God, how long do you think it will take some clever Human, to find some counterfeit-voice, to make people believe that it is God speaking? God is all-powerful as well as all-knowing, He knows what we are capable of. God`s Plan is the right one, and He wants repentance and change of character, Love is the key back to God. What is so hard, or wrong about that, Borel? I say this humbly and with love. Greetings from Emmy, sister in Christ.
wow! Finland! super cool...g'nite...it's been fun posting with you...
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To sustain the belief that there is no God, atheism has to demonstrate infinite knowledge, which is tantamount to saying, "I have infinite knowledge that there is no being in existence with infinite knowledge" --Ravi Zacharias
"God is in the rain."~Evey in V for Vendetta
"The unexamined life is not worth living". ~Socrates
i hated it when God insisted i "yawp!"
but He knew i must,
and that my life would not begin,
until i yawped.
We all must learn to yawp.
we MUST awaken the passion,
that part of us that feels intensely,
and is NOT afraid to say so
or to express it.
Otherwise we are just dead men walking.
my journal/blog:
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I have read the Gospels of Jesus Christ. It's a nice story but I haven't really seen any indication it's true.
But why should only those who believe receive eternal life? How easily one believes is up to the individual. God could've chosen another attribute to whom he grants eternal life.
It's about if it said in the Bible that only blonde people get to heaven. I could dye my hair but that wouldn't make me blonde, just as I can go to church services and sing psalms. It doesn't change the fact that I am not blonde/do not believe.
Anyway, thanks for your answer.
Greetings and God bless. But we know that statement was not written. To answer your question to why should only those who believe receive eternal life? It is written in Romans 8:7-8, "Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God." As children of God we believe in the Word of God as written in 1 Samuel 16:7, "But the Lord said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: FOR THE LORD SEETH NOT AS MAN SEETH; FOR MAN LOOKETH ON THE OUTWARD APPEARANCE, BUT THE LORD LOOKETH ON THE HEART."
God knows your innermost feelings including your beliefs, so He cannot be fooled. This is why we know that it is written in John 4:23-24, "But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father SEEKETH such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth."
How do we know this? For it is written in Romans 8:16, "The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:.." So even in the end, after all is said and done and you choose still not to believe, we as the children of God know that it is written in Romans 8:24-25, "For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it." That hope is in Jesus Christ. It is also written in Hebrews 11:6, "But without faith it is impossible to please Him; for he that cometh to God must BELIEVE that He is..."
Please understand that I am not trying to convince you. I am a child of God and I do care. I am not led here to Christian Forums for jesting purposes. I am quoting scripture on what I am led by God to quote. Jesus speaks as written in John 6:44-47, "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life." Amen.
I will close with this, there is no question about God's existence, only denial. It is written in Romans 2:19-20, "Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:" Amen. May God bless you and bring you into the understanding in which you seek.
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So you don't think I can honestly disbelieve God? Because it sure feels like there is no belief in a god in me.
and well detective skills are important any which'a way ya go in life.....they're something God blessed me with and i love them...they're what gives life a zest and a sense of adventure....and they're the antithesis to boredom....
Greetings and God bless. But we know that statement was not written. To answer your question to why should only those who believe receive eternal life? It is written in Romans 8:7-8, "Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God." As children of God we believe in the Word of God as written in 1 Samuel 16:7, "But the Lord said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: FOR THE LORD SEETH NOT AS MAN SEETH; FOR MAN LOOKETH ON THE OUTWARD APPEARANCE, BUT THE LORD LOOKETH ON THE HEART."
God knows your innermost feelings including your beliefs, so He cannot be fooled. This is why we know that it is written in John 4:23-24, "But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father SEEKETH such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth."
How do we know this? For it is written in Romans 8:16, "The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:.." So even in the end, after all is said and done and you choose still not to believe, we as the children of God know that it is written in Romans 8:24-25, "For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it." That hope is in Jesus Christ. It is also written in Hebrews 11:6, "But without faith it is impossible to please Him; for he that cometh to God must BELIEVE that He is..."
The problem is, I don't think we choose what we believe. We believe what we conclude is correct from the evidence we have, whatever we might take as evidence. I just cannot change my beliefs however I want. Although you guys are probably sick of this example, try believing that Sauron is real. It won't work, because you have absolutely no reason to believe he is real.
What I'm trying to say is, I just can't start believing, even if I'd want to.
Please understand that I am not trying to convince you. I am a child of God and I do care. I am not led here to Christian Forums for jesting purposes. I am quoting scripture on what I am led by God to quote. Jesus speaks as written in John 6:44-47, "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life." Amen.
I will close with this, there is no question about God's existence, only denial. It is written in Romans 2:19-20, "Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:" Amen. May God bless you and bring you into the understanding in which you seek.
Obviously I disagree.
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Your post was written in a really kind way, thanks for that.
Dear Borel. May I ask who told you that non-belief means eternal torture? For men and women who do,not or cannot believe, there is a place in Outer Darkness, without God`s Love or Light. God is not forcing anybody to return to Him, and if a person does not want to, what else could be done? When God raised Jesus, after He was crucified and died on the Cross, Jesus is with God-Father, and Death had lost its sting. There is no more death, we will either return to God, or will live eternity in the place without God.
I would gladly receive God's love or light. I just cannot believe. Why should I be left without God's love or light solely because of that? Would I believe in your God I would accept him.
When we come to the end of our earthly life, and have left our earthly bodies behind, our souls will not die. And for the voice from heaven, or such sign from God, how long do you think it will take some clever Human, to find some counterfeit-voice, to make people believe that it is God speaking? God is all-powerful as well as all-knowing, He knows what we are capable of. God`s Plan is the right one, and He wants repentance and change of character, Love is the key back to God. What is so hard, or wrong about that, Borel? I say this humbly and with love. Greetings from Emmy, sister in Christ.
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