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19th October 2008, 11:08 AM
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Which direction should I look in, then? | 
19th October 2008, 11:23 AM
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you're looking in the wrong direction. Originally Posted by Borel Which direction should I look in, then?
in an earlier post i wrote:
God.
man.
This is a test.
Where might be possibly going with this? hast thou no detective skills? Perhaps it be-eth time to get thyself off the merry-go-round and learn them, then?
__________________ "Prove all things;
hold fast that which is good.
Abstain from all appearance of evil."
~1 Thessalonians 5:21-22 posted by ViaCrucis:
It's not even "too much Old Testament", in the Old Testament God is compassionate, shows mercy, is patient and long-suffering. Consider the lesson we learn from Jonah, or the word delivered to Ezekiel that God does not desire the death of the wicked, that God takes no pleasure or joy in the destruction of the wicked by desires that that the wicked repent and change their ways so they might live and have life. God has always been a merciful, compassionate, kind and patient God who has no desire for the destruction of the wicked, who has loving-kindness for the sinner and for the wicked person to change their ways and truly live and have life. -CryptoLutheran | 
19th October 2008, 11:54 AM
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Reps: 237,485,255 (power: 237,489) | | | Greetings and may God bless all who read. You should not feel or be condemned by man for your unbelief. God is ever merciful. For the children of God are formed by LOVE through God. It is through this same LOVE God showed us that do believe that should be shown to you. My first experience of God's LOVE for me came through another child of God who believed. Although, I have never doubted the existence of God. Glory to God. There was no special physical "miracle" evidence or voice from above of God's true existence at this time for me, except the patience, LOVE and dedication for God's Word through this child of God, that He sent to witness to me. Soon, I began to look around me and began to see for myself, that this world we live in, with all the hate, selfishness and destruction going on and began to wonder, how can one human being show so much patience, care and LOVE. A perfect stranger in my life. I'm thinking to myself, why should they even care? I soon began to realize that.....God does.
After months of witnessing and having the Gospel of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ read to me, my heart was lifted and I began to realize that God did send Jesus to die for me and I confessed. Even within my own heart, I too did not feel like an evil person but it is still written in Romans 5:12, "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned."
Whether we choose to believe or not, whether it even sounds fair or not, it has been written. God is not making an apology or an excuse to man for our beliefs or unbeliefs, He is showing however, unconditional love for His creation and making every wrong thing right with LOVE through His only begotten Son Jesus Christ and has promised eternal life to all who call upon Him and believe that he is Lord and Savior and payed the price for our sins. Have you ever read the Gospel of Jesus Christ? If so, what are your feelings? Please excuse me if I am wrong but if you have no desire to read it, maybe you should as to see what you truly feel inside.
Nevertheless, God's love abounds for us all. We just have to receive Him into our hearts. I will continue to keep praying for us all and encourage all Brothers and Sisters to do the same for we that do believe must know, these are extremely trying times as it is written in John 3:17, "For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved." Amen. | 
19th October 2008, 12:44 PM
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Why didn't God create me with an eye that could see, then? Did he create me with a blind eye, and then blame me for not seeing? I've been searching, but I have found nothing.
Thanks for your answer. 
That's another question. In answer to your 2nd question: He didn't, so why worry about it?
Searching/ trying to remove your obstructions to see what's already there - is the same thing.
Good luck with that. | 
19th October 2008, 01:07 PM
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Reps: 991,115 (power: 995) | | Originally Posted by Mack7 Greetings and may God bless all who read. You should not feel or be condemned by man for your unbelief. God is ever merciful. For the children of God are formed by LOVE through God. It is through this same LOVE God showed us that do believe that should be shown to you. My first experience of God's LOVE for me came through another child of God who believed. Although, I have never doubted the existence of God. Glory to God. There was no special physical "miracle" evidence or voice from above of God's true existence at this time for me, except the patience, LOVE and dedication for God's Word through this child of God, that He sent to witness to me. Soon, I began to look around me and began to see for myself, that this world we live in, with all the hate, selfishness and destruction going on and began to wonder, how can one human being show so much patience, care and LOVE. A perfect stranger in my life. I'm thinking to myself, why should they even care? I soon began to realize that.....God does.
After months of witnessing and having the Gospel of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ read to me, my heart was lifted and I began to realize that God did send Jesus to die for me and I confessed. Even within my own heart, I too did not feel like an evil person but it is still written in Romans 5:12, "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned."
Whether we choose to believe or not, whether it even sounds fair or not, it has been written. God is not making an apology or an excuse to man for our beliefs or unbeliefs, He is showing however, unconditional love for His creation and making every wrong thing right with LOVE through His only begotten Son Jesus Christ and has promised eternal life to all who call upon Him and believe that he is Lord and Savior and payed the price for our sins. Have you ever read the Gospel of Jesus Christ? If so, what are your feelings? Please excuse me if I am wrong but if you have no desire to read it, maybe you should as to see what you truly feel inside.
Nevertheless, God's love abounds for us all. We just have to receive Him into our hearts. I will continue to keep praying for us all and encourage all Brothers and Sisters to do the same for we that do believe must know, these are extremely trying times as it is written in John 3:17, "For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved." Amen.
I have read the Gospels of Jesus Christ. It's a nice story but I haven't really seen any indication it's true.
But why should only those who believe receive eternal life? How easily one believes is up to the individual. God could've chosen another attribute to whom he grants eternal life.
It's about if it said in the Bible that only blonde people get to heaven. I could dye my hair but that wouldn't make me blonde, just as I can go to church services and sing psalms. It doesn't change the fact that I am not blonde/do not believe.
Anyway, thanks for your answer. | 
19th October 2008, 01:08 PM
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__________________ "Prove all things;
hold fast that which is good.
Abstain from all appearance of evil."
~1 Thessalonians 5:21-22 posted by ViaCrucis:
It's not even "too much Old Testament", in the Old Testament God is compassionate, shows mercy, is patient and long-suffering. Consider the lesson we learn from Jonah, or the word delivered to Ezekiel that God does not desire the death of the wicked, that God takes no pleasure or joy in the destruction of the wicked by desires that that the wicked repent and change their ways so they might live and have life. God has always been a merciful, compassionate, kind and patient God who has no desire for the destruction of the wicked, who has loving-kindness for the sinner and for the wicked person to change their ways and truly live and have life. -CryptoLutheran | 
19th October 2008, 01:11 PM
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Reps: 991,115 (power: 995) | | Originally Posted by m0rk That's another question. In answer to your 2nd question: He didn't, so why worry about it?
Searching/ trying to remove your obstructions to see what's already there - is the same thing.
Good luck with that.
So, you believe that non-believers do not automatically go to hell? Or am I just misunderstanding you?
I stopped searching a while ago. I continue to keep an open mind, but I do not intend to spend my life searching for something I suspect isn't there. | 
19th October 2008, 01:18 PM
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Reps: 991,115 (power: 995) | | Originally Posted by brinny in an earlier post i wrote:
God.
man.
This is a test.
Where might be possibly going with this? hast thou no detective skills? Perhaps it be-eth time to get thyself off the merry-go-round and learn them, then?
I posted this thread to learn what Christians here thought about non-belief being a sin punishable by hell, not to practice my detective skills.
So, you believe that non-believers are just denying something they deep down know exists and deserve to burn in hell? | 
19th October 2008, 03:05 PM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Borel So, you believe that non-believers do not automatically go to hell? Or am I just misunderstanding you? 
Where did you get that from what I said to you?!? Originally Posted by Borel I stopped searching a while ago. I continue to keep an open mind, but I do not intend to spend my life searching for something I suspect isn't there.
I didn't say that you were searching. You made the statement that, if I can summise, God hasn't presented himself to you. I was merely pointing out the error of that statement. And from the statement above, you definately don't want to know about it. So you've tied yourself up in your own argument. | 
19th October 2008, 03:35 PM
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Reps: 991,115 (power: 995) | | Originally Posted by m0rk Where did you get that from what I said to you?!?
I didn't say that you were searching. You made the statement that, if I can summise, God hasn't presented himself to you. I was merely pointing out the error of that statement. And from the statement above, you definately don't want to know about it. So you've tied yourself up in your own argument.
Oh, I just figured from the "He didn't, so why worry about it"... guess I just completely misunderstood you.
Are you saying I'm blinding myself from reality (where God is real)? | | Thread Tools | | | | Display Modes | Linear Mode | | | |