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Originally Posted by brinny View Post
Just how well do you know this living God, the Alpha and the Omega, Who rides the wind, Who has the earth as His footstool, Who declares that there will be no other gods before Him, and Who hates sin, Who will cast away all who reject His Son, Who paid such a price for us sinners? We are to fear Him. Do you know what that means?
I do not know him very well (I haven't read Bible if that's what you meant). Your god sure sounds like someone to fear. So what's your answer to my question?
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Old 19th October 2008, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by brinny
Just how well do you know this living God, the Alpha and the Omega, Who rides the wind, Who has the earth as His footstool, Who declares that there will be no other gods before Him, and Who hates sin, Who will cast away all who reject His Son, Who paid such a price for us sinners? We are to fear Him. Do you know what that means?
Originally Posted by Borel View Post
I do not know him very well (I haven't read Bible if that's what you meant). Your god sure sounds like someone to fear. So what's your answer to my question?
You could've included the post # the question is in or posted it, or do you want me to just go pick one at random?

Yes, this God i believe is is to be feared. There are Bible verses that describe Him as terrible, wrathful, a Warrior God. He is, ultimately, holy. Un-holi-ness, or sin, will be destroyed by Him to the nth degree and then some. This Creator is just as capable of destroying and casting from His presence. A verse describes Him as spitting from His mouth those who are dismissive of Him....lukewarm.....not caring one way or the other.
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"The unexamined life is not worth living". ~Socrates


i hated it when God insisted i "yawp!"
but He knew i must,
and that my life would not begin,
until i yawped.

We all must learn to yawp.
we MUST awaken the passion,
that part of us that feels intensely,
and is NOT afraid to say so
or to express it.

Otherwise we are just
dead men walking.


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Old 19th October 2008, 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by brinny View Post
You could've included the post # the question is in or posted it, or do you want me to just go pick one at random?

Yes, this God i believe is is to be feared. There are Bible verses that describe Him as terrible, wrathful, a Warrior God. He is, ultimately, holy. Un-holi-ness, or sin, will be destroyed by Him to the nth degree and then some. This Creator is just as capable of destroying and casting from His presence. A verse describes Him as spitting from His mouth those who are dismissive of Him....lukewarm.....not caring one way or the other.
The topic title.
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Well, sounds like a real neat god, but my question was "Why is non-belief so terrible?".
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Old 19th October 2008, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by brinny
You could've included the post # the question is in or posted it, or do you want me to just go pick one at random?

Yes, this God i believe is is to be feared. There are Bible verses that describe Him as terrible, wrathful, a Warrior God. He is, ultimately, holy. Un-holi-ness, or sin, will be destroyed by Him to the nth degree and then some. This Creator is just as capable of destroying and casting from His presence. A verse describes Him as spitting from His mouth those who are dismissive of Him....lukewarm.....not caring one way or the other.
Originally Posted by Borel View Post
The topic title.
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Well, sounds like a real neat god, but my question was "Why is non-belief so terrible?".
He's not neat, or cute, or a warm fuzzy. He is however aware of what His wrath can do, and has provided a way to avoid it.

The topic title? Didn't i respond to that?

You appear to be riding a merry-go-round at this point.

Enjoy the ride.
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"The unexamined life is not worth living". ~Socrates


i hated it when God insisted i "yawp!"
but He knew i must,
and that my life would not begin,
until i yawped.

We all must learn to yawp.
we MUST awaken the passion,
that part of us that feels intensely,
and is NOT afraid to say so
or to express it.

Otherwise we are just
dead men walking.


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Old 19th October 2008, 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by brinny View Post
He's not neat, or cute, or a warm fuzzy. He is however aware of what His wrath can do, and has provided a way to avoid it.

The topic title? Didn't i respond to that?

You appear to be riding a merry-go-round at this point.

Enjoy the ride.
Yes, he provided. Belief and acceptance of Jesus's payment. Why belief? Surely an omnipotent deity could figure out a way where most people in the world wouldn't be eternally tortured? Or does he have a need to eternally torture people?
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Old 19th October 2008, 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by brinny
He's not neat, or cute, or a warm fuzzy. He is however aware of what His wrath can do, and has provided a way to avoid it.

The topic title? Didn't i respond to that?

You appear to be riding a merry-go-round at this point.

Enjoy the ride.
Originally Posted by Borel View Post
Yes, he provided. Belief and acceptance of Jesus's payment. Why belief? Surely an omnipotent deity could figure out a way where most people in the world wouldn't be eternally tortured? Or does he have a need to eternally torture people?
God: This is the way that will provide you safety. Walk therein in it.

Man: But i don't wanna go that way.

God: As you wish.



God does not baby us. We face the consequences of our decisions.

You have been duly warned.
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"The unexamined life is not worth living". ~Socrates


i hated it when God insisted i "yawp!"
but He knew i must,
and that my life would not begin,
until i yawped.

We all must learn to yawp.
we MUST awaken the passion,
that part of us that feels intensely,
and is NOT afraid to say so
or to express it.

Otherwise we are just
dead men walking.


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Old 19th October 2008, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by brinny View Post
God: This is the way that will provide you safety. Walk therein in it.

Man: But i don't wanna go that way.

God: As you wish.

God does not baby us. We face the consequences of our decisions.

You have been duly warned.
More like:

Man 1: God says that this is the way that will provide you safety.
Man 2: Don't listen to him, this is the way.
Man 3: No, this is the way.
Man 4: Don't you understand? This is the way!

See the problem?
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Old 19th October 2008, 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by brinny
God: This is the way that will provide you safety. Walk therein in it.

Man: But i don't wanna go that way.

God: As you wish.

God does not baby us. We face the consequences of our decisions.

You have been duly warned.

Originally Posted by Borel View Post
More like:

Man 1: God says that this is the way that will provide you safety.
Man 2: Don't listen to him, this is the way.
Man 3: No, this is the way.
Man 4: Don't you understand? This is the way!

See the problem?
I spoke of God. You speak of man.

Enjoying that merry-go-round ride?
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"The unexamined life is not worth living". ~Socrates


i hated it when God insisted i "yawp!"
but He knew i must,
and that my life would not begin,
until i yawped.

We all must learn to yawp.
we MUST awaken the passion,
that part of us that feels intensely,
and is NOT afraid to say so
or to express it.

Otherwise we are just
dead men walking.


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Old 19th October 2008, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by brinny View Post
I spoke of God. You speak of man.

Enjoying that merry-go-round ride?
God has never spoken to me. Only men who claimed to speak for a god.
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Old 19th October 2008, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by brinny
I spoke of God. You speak of man.

Enjoying that merry-go-round ride?
Originally Posted by Borel View Post
God has never spoken to me. Only men who claimed to speak for a god.
you're looking in the wrong direction.
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"The unexamined life is not worth living". ~Socrates


i hated it when God insisted i "yawp!"
but He knew i must,
and that my life would not begin,
until i yawped.

We all must learn to yawp.
we MUST awaken the passion,
that part of us that feels intensely,
and is NOT afraid to say so
or to express it.

Otherwise we are just
dead men walking.


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