Chrisitan perfection and sinning?

Yuyuchan · #1 18th October 2008, 12:14 PM

Why do some people say it is alright for a Christian to sin, when in the Bible it says Each man that is born of God, doith not sin; for the seed of God dwelleth in him, and he may not do sin, for he is born of God? Also, the jesus did not sin and we are told to follow him and to deny ourselves. We are even told to be perfect like our Heavenly Father God.

calluna · #2 18th October 2008, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by Yuyuchan

Why do some people say it is alright for a Christian to sin, when in the Bible it says Each man that is born of God, doith not sin; for the seed of God dwelleth in him, and he may not do sin, for he is born of God? Also, the jesus did not sin and we are told to follow him and to deny ourselves. We are even told to be perfect like our Heavenly Father God.

Perhaps a translation that is not 400 years old may provide assistance.

Yuyuchan · #3 18th October 2008, 12:46 PM

What do you mean?

JesusFreak4L · #4 3rd November 2008, 10:14 AM

well the verse that you used, means (as I interpret it) that we all are sinners...we will all sin, BUT God calls us to live lives fully blameless and honoring to him TRYING to steer ourselves away from evil...

We obviously are going to sin. But this verse is a reminder of what Jesus was and how we need to strive to be like him....

rob64 · #5 3rd November 2008, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by Yuyuchan

Why do some people say it is alright for a Christian to sin, when in the Bible it says Each man that is born of God, doith not sin; for the seed of God dwelleth in him, and he may not do sin, for he is born of God? Also, the jesus did not sin and we are told to follow him and to deny ourselves. We are even told to be perfect like our Heavenly Father God.

If one says it's alright to sin, they might not be a christian to start with.
Or, they are misunderstanding what the Bible says?

We all are born with a 'sin nature', because we are all descendants of Adam. So, till we die, we are prone to sin.

Untill we 'get saved', we look at sin as something fun. Something we enjoy. But when we repent, we choose to think about sin in a different way. We see it as something that separates us from God, and we don't want it in our lives. When God puts His Spirit within us, a 'war' begins within us. Which is a war between our spirit and our soul. The Word of God divides the two.
The war between our spirit and soul, is actually our sin nature fighting against our spirit.
Paul describes this war like this;
When I want to do what is right, I cant do it.
When I dont want to do what is wrong, I cant do that either.
It's our sin nature vs. our spirit.
Our soul is the part that wants to sin.
Our spirit is the part that wants to do the right thing.
Until we do get saved, there is no war between the two. Our spirit and soul cling together. You cant tell them apart.
The 'Sword of the Spirit', or the word of God divides the soul and the spirit.
Hope this helps

pehkay · #6 4th November 2008, 01:58 AM

The verse you are referring to is 1 John 3:9.

It means one cannot live in sin habitually. A regenerated believer may fall into sin occasionally, but the divine life as the divine seed in his regenerated nature will not allow him to live in sin. This is similar to a sheep: it may fall into the mud, but its clean life will not allow it to remain and wallow in the mud as a swine would.

1 John 3:6 is good too ..

This too is a condition of the life that abides in the Lord. It does not mean that the children of God do not commit sin at all; they may commit sin occasionally. It means that the regenerated believers who have the divine life and live by it do not practice sin. Their character and habit are not to sin but to abide in the Lord. Abiding in the Lord is a believer's living; sinning is a sinner's life.

Yuyuchan · #7 16th May 2009, 10:21 AM

Okay. I understand. But I still do not understand. Yet I what does it mean to be without blemish. I mean if one occasionally sins is he or she truly without blemish.

rahmiyn · #8 16th May 2009, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by JesusFreak4L

well the verse that you used, means (as I interpret it) that we all are sinners...we will all sin, BUT God calls us to live lives fully blameless and honoring to him TRYING to steer ourselves away from evil...

We obviously are going to sin. But this verse is a reminder of what Jesus was and how we need to strive to be like him....

I agree with this. The Holy Spirit within us compels us to make choices that align more with God's laws as Jesus taught them to us. If the Holy Spirit truly lives within you, you simply can not comfortably sin.

SecretAgentMan · #9 17th May 2009, 02:41 AM

Originally Posted by Yuyuchan

Why do some people say it is alright for a Christian to sin, when in the Bible it says Each man that is born of God, doith not sin; for the seed of God dwelleth in him, and he may not do sin, for he is born of God? Also, the jesus did not sin and we are told to follow him and to deny ourselves. We are even told to be perfect like our Heavenly Father God.

Greetings,

I will try to make this short by addressing your questions listed above. First, it is not alright to sin but if you do you have an advocate who goes to the Father on your behalf, his name is Jesus. Here is a question I want you to ask yourself, "Did you do anything on you own to get yourself "Saved" as some would put it? or "Did you simply trust that Jesus paid the price for you so that you can be reconciled to God the Father?" Never in a life time can you ever make things right between you and God in your own power, He (God) knew this before He ever created you. This is why He made provision for us, that when we sinned we could be made righteous because His Son took our place as our own payment for that sin. You never earned salvation meaning you can never loose it, however, if/when you sin like I mentioned earlier you have someone you speaks on your behalf to the Father for you. You are rightly stating that you must be perfect like your heavenly Father and the only way you can do that is through Jesus. Remember this one little thing, He died so we can live and keep on living. Think about that and ask God to make plain to you what that means. Oh yes, one last thing! You will never be perfect in this life time, however, we are being transformed and renewed! Only when we are finally with Father will we be made like him, perfect in every aspect.

Regards,

SAM

SecretAgentMan · #10 17th May 2009, 02:59 AM

Originally Posted by Yuyuchan

Okay. I understand. But I still do not understand. Yet I what does it mean to be without blemish. I mean if one occasionally sins is he or she truly without blemish.

Greetings,

Here is the short answer to this question. First and foremost, Hebrews 10:14 clearly states:

"because by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy"

So, yes one can be without blemish in the eyes of God through Jesus and Him alone. As believers or followers of Christ we are responsible and accountable before God in how we live meaning, we must give account to God on why we believed what we believed and lived how we lived. Like I mentioned earlier, we have been justified through Jesus however, we are responsible with the help of the Holy Spirit in being renewed daily. Romans 12:1-2 is a clear example of being changed daily and denying ourselves, yet we are still set right with God. I hope this makes sense for you.

Regards,

SAM