John McCain Question

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Is John McCain according to Christian doctrine still considered an adulterer? Why or why not?

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NO....

And I don't care, it's best not to mix religion with politics.

I'm more concerned that Obama had coffee sit downs with terrorist he calls friends and his now past radical Pastor that "formed his character".

The world is running from socialism, why America is running towards it. Maybe we should see why the rest of the world found it a system of failure.

Overall, I think they're both moral men, one a moderate, the other a radical liberal, just such different views.

Obama is change we don't need.

Yes. Yes. And Yes. And a possible maybe.

He committed adultery on his wife , Carol. He divorced her and married his cohort in adultery, Cindy, a month later.

God's law allows for divorce in the situation of adultery. He is the one who committed adultery so he ain't allowed a divorce.

However, if Carol was a Christian at the time and he was not, the marriage covenant may be broken if the unsaved person decided to leave.

Now I haven't seen anything that says he was not a Christian at the time so if someone can present something that says otherwise, it would answer the question.

But the first situation points to him DEFINITELY still being an adulterer.

unfortunately yes but ive commited the same sin in my heart so who am I to judge. and its a sad reality that this is the best candidate the conservative side is offering

come quickly Lord Jesus

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Heb 4:13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.

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There is nothing anywhere in God's Law that states divorce is allowed in cases of adultery, but actually does state several times that adultery is the sin one commits in divorcing and remarrying:

Matthew 5:31-32 "It was said, 'WHOEVER SENDS HIS WIFE AWAY, LET HIM GIVE HER A CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE'; but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

Mark 10: 6-12 "But from the beginning of creation, God MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE. "FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH; so they are no longer two, but one flesh. "What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate." In the house the disciples began questioning Him about this again. And He *said to them, "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her; and if she herself divorces her husband and marries another man, she is committing adultery."

Luke 16:18 "Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries one who is divorced from a husband commits adultery.”

Scripture doesn't say that either:

1 Corinthians 7: 10-11 But to the married I give instructions, not I, but the Lord, that the wife should not leave her husband (but if she does leave, she must remain unmarried, or else be reconciled to her husband), and that the husband should not divorce his wife.

Here is Paul’s teaching to all married people. He says first of all, that we should never separate for any reason just as Jesus also said. Then He adds that if any separations should occur, we have two options and two only:

1. remain unmarried

2. be reconciled

Could he have stated this any clearer? Next he adds that this applies whether or not the spouse is a believer:

1 Corinthians 7: 12-13 But to the rest I say, not the Lord, that if any brother has a wife who is an unbeliever, and she consents to live with him, he must not divorce her. And a woman who has an unbelieving husband, and he consents to live with her, she must not send her husband away.

Again, this is about as clear as can be, whether or not the spouse is an unbeliever is irrelevant as to whether the believer is to keep their covenant. We are commanded to always honor it regardless of the actions of our spouse.

I assume you're trying to create a loophole by taking the next verse out of context and trying to claim that it eliminates everything else Paul just said, as well as the rest of scripture, and gives a provision to divorce an unbeliever and remarry without committing adultery. Of course that would be completely adding this to the text, and Paul has never said anything of the sort:

1 Corinthians 7:15 Yet if the unbelieving one leaves, let him leave; the brother or the sister is not under bondage in such cases, but God has called us to peace.

If we limit the text to what it actually says, it only permit’s a believer to allow an unbeliever to depart for the sake of peace, if they refuse to dwell with us. We need to remember the context of this statement:

1. "she consents to live with him"

2. "he consents to live with her"

3. "if the unbelieving one leaves, let him leave"

The text itself only permits allowing an unbeliever to depart for the sake of peace if they refuse to dwell with the believer. If however they do not refuse then the believer must honor the covenant they made by staying married, and if they refuse we still must honor it by remaining unmarried or else reconciling with them. The scriptures are consistent throughout when we don’t try to add what is not there.

Beyond that, Paul himself refutes the idea that this bondage is anything but dwelling together, by stating that the marriage bond itself is only dissolvable by death:

I Corinthians 7:39 A wife is bound as long as her husband lives; but if her husband is dead, she is free to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord.

Romans 7:2-3 For the married woman is bound by law to her husband while he is living; but if her husband dies, she is released from the law concerning the husband. So then, if while her husband is living she is joined to another man, she shall be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from the law, so that she is not an adulteress though she is joined to another man.

If the claim that marriage is dissolved by an unbeliever departing were correct, then Paul would have to be schizophrenic as well as being in direct contradiction to the teachings of Jesus Christ. Obviously that would be taking his words out of context and creating a loophole that isn’t there.

There we agree.

SealedEternal

I am not judging, well maybe some but mostly I was wanted to know doctrinally.

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"America, we have come so far. We have seen so much. But there is so much more to do. So tonight, let us ask ourselves – if our children should live to see the next century; if my daughters should be so lucky to live as long as Ann Nixon Cooper, what change will they see? What progress will we have made?

This is our chance to answer that call. This is our moment. This is our time – to put our people back to work and open doors of opportunity for our kids; to restore prosperity and promote the cause of peace; to reclaim the American Dream and reaffirm that fundamental truth – that out of many, we are one; that while we breathe, we hope, and where we are met with cynicism, and doubt, and those who tell us that we can’t, we will respond with that timeless creed that sums up the spirit of a people:

Yes We Can. "

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