If there was a straight pill would homosexuals take it?

Inviolable · #1 8th October 2008, 12:12 AM

I've been hearing this rather mundane argument where people compare left handedness to homosexuality.
So I looked it up on line and read up on it from several different sources.
Because to me, saying, there is no difference between being left handed and being a lesbian. Is a lot like saying, All you need to build a house is a single piece of wood. Sure, but it'd be a real small house. No one could live in it, kids might play with it...

What I found in my search was pretty interesting. Every single site I went to sited that homosexuality could be an evolutionary error. However no one wanted to go there to keep from offending people. So no more research is being done on the subject.
I also found out that quite a lot of other things are associated with being left handed and homosexuality.
For instance, penis size, the direction your hair curls, autism, stuttering, and schizophrenia to name a few.

I went to several different sources to do my best to keep from getting a biased answer. All of them pretty much said the same thing.
Just Google "left handed gay people" or "left handed homosexuals" to get the same list I did.
On the top of the first search was a NARTH site, I skipped that one altogether. So please don't argue that.
I hit the listings such as Psychology Today and LA Times.
I'm not trying to insult anyone or suggest that any of these studies will bear negative results.
I'm only trying to point out that it's bits and pieces of information, it isn't the whole picture. The scientific community turns on one single light about the size of your standard flashlight in a 50x50 room and search under that light until they come up with more information.
That's how they find these things out.
And the way it sounds, with the homosexual community.. or homosexuals in general getting upset and pointing the prejudice finger at every single thing they don't agree with. It's going to be some time before the 50x50 room is completely lit up.
Homosexuals refuse to put prejudice behind them and allow for some real research on the subject to be done.

It's not simply my opinion, it's being demonstrated on a daily basis.

So, I came up with a question.
If homosexuality was found to be an evolutionary error and some person somewhere made a straight pill. How many homosexuals would actually take it?

Brennin · #2 8th October 2008, 12:19 AM

A follow up question: What should the company who discovers it brand it as?

Inviolable · #3 8th October 2008, 12:27 AM

Originally Posted by Brennin

A follow up question: What should the company who discovers it brand it as?

hmmm good question. The lexestraightaphram. Dialexistraight. Heterolexicon. Astrowellhetero... Nah.. I'm sure someone else can do better.

EnemyPartyII · #4 8th October 2008, 02:08 AM

If there were a pill available to make left handers right handed, would they take it?

If there were a pill availablke to make black people white, would they take it?

Inviolable · #5 8th October 2008, 03:49 AM

Originally Posted by EnemyPartyII

If there were a pill available to make left handers right handed, would they take it?

Maybe that one, cant say. I guess I'd have to ask, would you take a pill for schizophrenia? It's shown to be linked to homosexuality as well and in some cases people are forced by law to take pills for it.

If there were a pill availablke to make black people white, would they take it?

Being black isn't considered to be a possible evolution error. So no.

Figures the only homosexual to reply to this thread would be one who replies negatively. Great insight.
Also proving what I said.

EnemyPartyII · #6 8th October 2008, 04:12 AM

would you take a pill for schizophrenia? It's shown to be linked to homosexuality

*jaw droppingly gobsmacked* [citation needed]

Being black isn't considered to be a possible evolution error. So no.

Neither is being homosexual, so there's your answer.

Inviolable · #7 8th October 2008, 04:18 AM

Originally Posted by EnemyPartyII

*jaw droppingly gobsmacked* [citation needed]Neither is being homosexual, so there's your answer.

O.K. It's not, but it once was until someone was worried that homosexuals would be offended by further research. Evidence was leaning in that direction and scientist stopped gathering information of the subject because of it.

I'm sure they were thinking, homosexuality would lose a lot of rep if it were found to be an evolutionary error.

And left handedness has about as much to do with homosexuality as penis size, the direction your hair grows and " schizophrenia" so it was a logical question. If it insults you then I suggest you stop using left handedness as a way to dodge a good answer.

EnemyPartyII · #8 8th October 2008, 04:31 AM

It's not, but it once was until someone was worried that homosexuals would be offended by further research.

No, homosexuality has never been "an evolutionary error" otherwise we wouldn't see it so universally widespread in both human and animal populations

Evidence was leaning in that direction and scientist stopped gathering information of the subject because of it.

What is this, the conspiracy theorists version of scientific consensus? Support your argument with peer reviewed research or retract.

I'm sure they were thinking, homosexuality would lose a lot of rep if it were found to be an evolutionary error.

What you would like to be true, is not necesarily true.

And left handedness has about as much to do with homosexuality as penis size, the direction your hair grows and " schizophrenia" so it was a logical question. If it insults you then I suggest you stop using left handedness as a way to dodge a good answer.

What the heck are you jibbering about? Left handedness is a genetic-prone, behavioural trait, just like homosexuality, thus the two are COMPARABLE... you will note that comparable is not the same as linked.

Inviolable · #9 8th October 2008, 05:14 AM

Originally Posted by EnemyPartyII

No, homosexuality has never been "an evolutionary error" otherwise we wouldn't see it so universally widespread in both human and animal populations

That's a falsehood.
A little old school as well. Just because something is widespread, doesn't mean it cant be an evolutionary error.
I thought you liked to keep up so you would look informed?
Here:
http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/pto-100.html
Says why the research was stopped.

Simon LeVay, a neuropsychologist who studies the biological differences between homosexuals and heterosexuals and is both gay and left-handed, is also reluctant to jump to conclusions.

What is this, the conspiracy theorists version of scientific consensus? Support your argument with peer reviewed research or retract.What you would like to be true, is not necesarily true.What the heck are you jibbering about? Left handedness is a genetic-prone, behavioural trait, just like homosexuality, thus the two are COMPARABLE... you will note that comparable is not the same as linked.

Yeah it was shown in the LA times.

This site maybe
http://www.mygenes.co.nz/lefthand.htm

Other then that, do you have a screen name and password for the APA website? If not I'm afraid you cant get what you want.

That doesn't even matter. The point is, it wont be examined any further then homosexuals will allow it to be and that's not a theory it's proven fact.
Basically the public is being spoon fed what homosexuals want them to be.

The other question that is never addressed is, if it is just the same as being left handed, how well can homosexuals handle the social tolerance people have of homosexual acts. It doesn't matter if the act of sex is carried out in your own home or not.
If homosexuals come from the womb a homosexual, then how can they be trusted not to try and push homosexuality on someone who isn't a homosexual for their own interest?

EnemyPartyII · #10 8th October 2008, 06:56 AM

Originally Posted by Inviolable

That's a falsehood.
A little old school as well. Just because something is widespread, doesn't mean it cant be an evolutionary error.
I thought you liked to keep up so you would look informed?
Here:
http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/pto-100.html
Says why the research was stopped.

Sexuality at Hand
Left-handers are more likely to be gay. Is there a genetic link?

Thats the site your link goes to. Where does it say homosexuality is an "evolutionary error"?

Yeah it was shown in the LA times.

This site maybe
http://www.mygenes.co.nz/lefthand.htm

Other then that, do you have a screen name and password for the APA website? If not I'm afraid you cant get what you want.

Is left-handedness linked to homosexuality?
N.E.Whitehead, Ph.D.
This study appears to show an overwhelmingly strong (biological) factor underlying both left-handedness and homosexuality.

This article? Again... nothing saying homosexuality is an "evolutionary error", nothing linking it to schizophrenia that I can see. Perhaps a direct quote?

That doesn't even matter. The point is, it wont be examined any further then homosexuals will allow it to be and that's not a theory it's proven fact.
Basically the public is being spoon fed what homosexuals want them to be.

Who said that this research has been cancelled? Both articles look like the researchers in question were able to complete their studies, so what are you talking about?

The other question that is never addressed is, if it is just the same as being left handed, how well can homosexuals handle the social tolerance people have of homosexual acts. It doesn't matter if the act of sex is carried out in your own home or not.
If homosexuals come from the womb a homosexual, then how can they be trusted not to try and push homosexuality on someone who isn't a homosexual for their own interest?

I'm... stunned... I'm just staring at my computer screen trying to come up with anything vaguely coherent... but I'm having real difficulty making any sense of this paragraph.

Are you saying (and please, correct me if I misunderstand you) that if homosexuals are naturally homosexual, inclined that way by genetics, that you don't understand why they aren't forcing heterosexuals to be homosexual?