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Old 3rd October 2008, 05:58 PM
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John Hagee

I enjoy watching John Hagee. He generally gives an inspiring bible based message along with some genuine laugh out loud humor.

There was such an uproar about him endorsing John McCain. I'm wondering if I'm missing something. I'm open to negatives about Hagee I just don't know what they are?

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John Hagee is in the highest degree of the freemasonry he is not A christian but he is Zionist Freemason,that uses the Bible on Bias to Israel(,and Israel kills,massacre arabs.

brother you have to know about Freemasonry,2 million freemasons are in USA,unfortunately they had infiltrated our Priest and Pastors just as:John Hagee,Pat Robertson,Jerry falewell

all are Freemasons,Israel is unbiblical,Jesus is the True Israel,and the "Christian Zionist" don't know that there are Palestinian christians exists or Arab christians.

but may God bless this pastor,and we have to love our enemy and to pray for him.
Israel is not God's Plan,Jesus had came,stated:"not eye for eye,tooth for tooth"
so the Jews have all of them to convert to christianity and to believe in Him.

Israel is not connected to Jesus second Coming,in addition it's Fact that Judaism=Anti-christ

they insult Virgin Mary,insult Jesus christ as False Messiah....

may God bless them
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Sorry I disagree completely.

What I do think is John Hagee is getting up in years and I believe
his age is showing at this point in his sermons.
I've said the same of Pat Robertson lately as well.
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Originally Posted by JustAsIam77 View Post
I enjoy watching John Hagee. He generally gives an inspiring bible based message along with some genuine laugh out loud humor.

There was such an uproar about him endorsing John McCain. I'm wondering if I'm missing something. I'm open to negatives about Hagee I just don't know what they are?
In my view the reason for the uproar is that John Hagee isn't politically correct, and him endorsing any political figure would be a negative to that politician.

If it was someone like Rick Warren or Joel Osteen or any other religious speaker who was more PC, that wouldn't be a problem or as much of a problem.

Hagee has made some serious attacks on some religions & groups and to a politician, that would be a vote loser!

So if Osteen endorsed him, things would probly be just peachy with it.
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Originally Posted by Nadiine View Post
In my view the reason for the uproar is that John Hagee isn't politically correct, and him endorsing any political figure would be a negative to that politician.

If it was someone like Rick Warren or Joel Osteen or any other religious speaker who was more PC, that wouldn't be a problem or as much of a problem.

Hagee has made some serious attacks on some religions & groups and to a politician, that would be a vote loser!

So if Osteen endorsed him, things would probly be just peachy with it.
Correct.

Politicians are not interested in The Truth.

They are only interested in having the appearance of being interested in The "Good" of the people; that is, the people they are talking to today.


John Hagee had given a sermon several years ago, which was Biblical, in which he was explaining something about Israel. In Ezekiel 5, God describes judgements that will come against Israel because of their sin, and that only a remnant would be spared.


The Holocaust was caused by the Devil.

However, it was ALLOWED By God because of Israel's sin.

If you notice in the parable in Ezekiel 5, (verse 1-4 is the first telling of the judgement, and then verse 5-17 retells the same judgement.) After the first judgement that destroys all but a remnant represented by the hairs placed in the prophet's belt. God then tells him to take the hairs out of his belt and pass them through the judgements again(v.4). Verse 1-3 and also 14-17 would then represent the destruction of Israel as a nation in 70A.D. Verse 4 then represents the REMNANT that survived that destruction then being persecuted again while they are in exile "scattered among the nations." This is the Holocaust.


This is what John Hagee was talking about when he said, "Hitler was a fisher."

Somebody in the media who hates Christians found a copy of that sermon and used "sound bytes" to try to make John Hagee look like a lunatic.

And then John McCain said, "That's insane." and rejected his endorsement.

Well, The Bible doesn't lie. Israel sinned and God judged them by allowing the Devil to have full reign over them for many centuries. They rejected God and chose to worship the devil through idols and false religion and moreover killed Jesus. Therefore the Lord rejected them and gave them over to the devil they worshipped.


You will say, "Surely not every person killed in the Holocaust 'deserved' to die."

But Biblically, yes, they did, and so do you and I.

"For all have sinned and come short of the Glory of God" and "The wages of sin is death."


It is only by the Grace of God that anyone is alive at all. Even the unbelieving sinner lives only by Grace, though he does not believe that. But "To whom much has been given much is required." Israel was given both the Old Covenant and the New Covenant, and ultimately rejected both. Therefore their judgement was more harsh than that of the heathen.

There have been many "Holocausts" against Israel throughout Biblical history right up to today. Hitler just "seems" like the worst because it is one of the most recent and because a lot of it was caught on film.

But if you study the Bible you see that the Syrians and the Babylonians and the Egyptians going back to the time of Moses committed such atrocities as bad or worse against Israel, and God allowed it because of their sin.


This is not "Politically correct," but it is Biblically correct.

The Lord rebuke politicians and the media, who call good 'evil' and evil 'good'.
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Read your Bible.

Do not curse Israel, even the unbelievers in Israel. God told Abraham that he would bless those who bless him and curse those who curse him, and Israel IS the "Seed of Promise".

Then Isaac blessed Jacob(Israel):

Genesis 27:29
Let people serve thee, and nations bow down to thee: be lord over thy brethren, and let thy mother's sons bow down to thee: cursed be every one that curseth thee, and blessed be he that blesseth thee.

As for the unbelieving Jews, Paul wrote that "God is able to graft them in again."
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I am not about to try to defend everything John Hagee teaches nor any other person, because I have quite a few disagreements with him.

But Israel is to this day God's chosen people, whether you like it or not.

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He claimed that Jesus was not the Messiah.
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And if people are going to claim these Pastors are freemasons, then you need to back that up with proof.
(or were, Rev. Falwell is deceased now).

A claim is a claim - I've seen plenty of those in this election.
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He claimed that Jesus was not the Messiah.
Wait. Who claimed Jesus was not the Messiah?

I have never heard John Hagee make that claim, and in fact, every time I have ever watched him preach, he directly tells people that Jesus IS the Messiah and that he is the Only Begotten Son of God.
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Originally Posted by Wade Smith View Post
Wait. Who claimed Jesus was not the Messiah?

I have never heard John Hagee make that claim, and in fact, every time I have ever watched him preach, he directly tells people that Jesus IS the Messiah and that he is the Only Begotten Son of God.
same here.

Hopefully if he did, it was taken completely out of context
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