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Originally Posted by BreadAlone View Post
Not even! You're only required to agree with the Website's Statement of Faith, and badda-boom! You're a Christian as far as this site is concerned.

Basically beamish, in the old days of CF, when people who were not Trinitarian Christians said they were, Staff would force them to have a Non-Christian/Non-Nicene icon (at least this seems to be the scenario that everyone is having a hernia over.)
Are you willing to pledge on your honor that if there are any forced icon changes, you will resign from CF Staff?
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Originally Posted by CaDan View Post
Are you willing to pledge on your honor that if there are any forced icon changes, you will resign from CF Staff?
Why should any one pledge to resign because someone is forced to change his icon. As BreadAlone tells us, it's so easy to be Christian. If someone calls himself a Christian and CF thinks he's not, then he clearly CAN'T be a Christian but would only be an impostor. I think changing the icon is the least he could do to stop the pretence.

Why would anyone want to pretend to be a Christian if he is not? Isn't that being a wolf in sheep's clothing? Should not the wolf be asked to remove the fake clothing? I really don't understand at all!!!
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In the past, CF has seen its share of trolls wishing to put Christianity in a bad light. They would do this by assuming a Christian icon and then commencing insulting everyone, giving false doctrine, taking a nominal stance on something and turning it into a major fiasco, that kind of stuff. There's been a couple of legendary ones, from what I've been told, but I wasn't here to see them.
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Old 28th September 2008, 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by beamishboy View Post
Why should any one pledge to resign because someone is forced to change his icon. As BreadAlone tells us, it's so easy to be Christian. If someone calls himself a Christian and CF thinks he's not, then he clearly CAN'T be a Christian but would only be an impostor. I think changing the icon is the least he could do to stop the pretence.

Why would anyone want to pretend to be a Christian if he is not? Isn't that being a wolf in sheep's clothing? Should not the wolf be asked to remove the fake clothing? I really don't understand at all!!!
Because in the past at this site there have been amateur inquisitions into whether or not people were "Christian" enough to be posting in "Christians-only" areas. Staff has often said they will not return to those inquisitions.

I am putting them on the spot to back up those promises. I am keeping a record in my blog of those who are willing to back up those promises.
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Originally Posted by CaDan View Post
Because in the past at this site there have been amateur inquisitions into whether or not people were "Christian" enough to be posting in "Christians-only" areas. Staff has often said they will not return to those inquisitions.

I am putting them on the spot to back up those promises. I am keeping a record in my blog of those who are willing to back up those promises.
What's your blog address? The beamishboy used to put the URL address on my signature but a mod told me not to do it cos it's against the rules.
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Old 28th September 2008, 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by beamishboy View Post
What's your blog address? The beamishboy used to put the URL address on my signature but a mod told me not to do it cos it's against the rules.
It's my CF blog: http://christianforums.com/blog.php?u=24881
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I am.
I would be resigning anyway, should this occur.
Criada, you can't leave!
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Originally Posted by PreachersWife2004 View Post
In the past, CF has seen its share of trolls wishing to put Christianity in a bad light. They would do this by assuming a Christian icon and then commencing insulting everyone, giving false doctrine, taking a nominal stance on something and turning it into a major fiasco, that kind of stuff. There's been a couple of legendary ones, from what I've been told, but I wasn't here to see them.
My question in this is how will these situations be handled under the new system. Will they be allowed to keep the icon and just recieve regular process for posting against the SoF?
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The rules for discussing "unorthodox" theologies, then, need to be kept consistently. We cannot have people posting things bashing those theologies in "protected" areas where defenders or advocates of those theologies cannot answer them with facts concerning those theologies. Instead, all such discussion should be moved to Unorthodox or wherever, regardless of who starts it or what perspective they post from.
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I thought CF follows a very broad definition of Christianity, doesn't it? Just the Nicene Creed. The interpretation of the Nicene Creed may differ between RCs and Protestants but I can't imagine how someone who doesn't even believe in the most basic Creed can be termed a Christian.
Just a little FYI for you.

I am a Baptist, and as such, we have strived to separate ourselves from the patterns set by the Roman Catholic church several centuries ago.

Now wait a minute, before you jump all over me, let me say this.

The Baptist faith believe in a lot of the things that are stated in the Nicene Creed. But, from history, Baptists have always been anti-creedal.

We don't use creeds or confessions to "identify" who is and who isn't a "Christain."

So while I do agree with what the Nicene Creed says, and it does state a lot of good things. I will not be identified as a Christian on the basis of whether or not I agree with the Nicene Creed.

Ask me, I'll tell you that I believe Jesus Christ was/is the Son of God. Born of a virgin. Lived 33 years. Died on a cross at Calvary for my sins. Raised from the dead by the power of God for my justification. Who now sits at the right hand of the Father. And some day, will return to bring His bride home.

And why does all this "rule changing" come as a suprise to you? Since November of 2007, we have averaged a new set of rules every two (2) months. It was about time for another set of changes. After the 7/7/7 changes last year, I stepped down as a moderator. When they changed it back, I came back on staff. Since then, in 9 months, we have had 3 rule changes. And now, we're set up for a 4th. That is 4 changes in 9 months.

Now as for myself, I do not have the power to change any icon. Even back last year when I was a supervisor, I did not have the power. That was reserved for the people with the Blue or Green A's.

As a Moderator, I sit at the bottom of ladder. What I can do is very limited. Very limited. So I don't have that ability anyway. (Thank God!)

And I have to agree with CaDan. Most of the problems here are from Christians. Very little trouble comes from Non-Christains and Christians.

You want to see trouble? Visit the GT area and look at the strife there between Catholicism and Protestantism. Granted its not as bad as it was last year, but still.

Go to the Soteriology room. Look at the battlelines there between Arminians and Calvinists. In fact, its so bad there, I used to post there quite frequently, but there are one, maybe two posters there who have made it their mission to bad mouth, put down, slander Calvinism at every chance, and because of that, I have not posted in the Soteriology room in about 9 months.

This isn't gonna change a thing. Its the same thing only packaged differently.

And if you stick around, in 2-3 months, there will be another set of rules and another change.

Imagine that, a Christian forum wanting to limit discussion and debating of Christians doctrines and theology to only Christians. What were they thinking?

So, why does this suprise you guys?

As I said before, if you don't like these "rules," stick around. There will be another set out in 2-3 months time.

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