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Old 27th September 2008, 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Crazy Liz View Post
Which thread did you intend to link to?

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. I've fixed the link in my post, above, too.
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Many people think that the question should be: have you made Jesus your Lord? Have you invited him unreservedly into your heart? Have you completely dedicated every part of yourself and your life to him?

The trouble is that when we are truthful, the answer must always be "No." So let's ask the question a different way.

Has Jesus given everything for you? Has he dedicated his whole life to you? Has he invited you into his heart? And the answer to that is a glorious and gracious and conscious, freeing, comforting YES!

(paraphrased from Pastor Wolfmueller, Table Talk Radio)
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Old 27th September 2008, 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by synger View Post
While it might seem so, I don't think this decision happened without warning. It was discussed in an open thread a few months ago. While that was not an official announcement, it did make it clear that making a couple of the areas of the site Christian-only again was likely to occur.

Also, please try to keep this in perspective. Just looking at the major forums listed on the home page (not counting the subforums), this will affect about 40 forums. Forty forums will be Christians-only, on a Christian website.

That leaves about 250 that are open to all members.

It is my hope that all our members will find a couple of forums where they can find fun, fellowship, and discussion.
Most of us will not find that at CF, for the paradigm appears to be an eagerness to stifle the politically incorrect. What "warning" of this occurred beforehand is of no significance. It was not right then and it is not right now. The method of announcement is insulting to the members. The refusal of those who imposed this policy to state their names and their support for it and the reasons for it is a pretty shabby way to treat folks. This cannot be excused with the old "half a loaf" argument. That's like telling Southern Blacks in 1955 "You cannot sit in the dining room at the barbecue shack to eat your meals, but you can go to the back door and get them to go."
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Old 27th September 2008, 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by synger View Post
While it might seem so, I don't think this decision happened without warning. It was discussed in an open thread a few months ago. While that was not an official announcement, it did make it clear that making a couple of the areas of the site Christian-only again was likely to occur.
Originally Posted by synger View Post

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. I've fixed the link in my post, above, too.
Thanks for fixing the link. Yeah, I guess it was a warning for the few people who read that post before that forum was closed to discussion.

But I didn't see that staff listened to any of the concerns posted there. Letalis just said what was going to happen, and later announced that he did it. I am very dissatisfied that the decision-makers here never discuss issues with the membership. Maybe there will be a hint in some obscure place that a change is going to happen sometime in the future, but if there is a response, nobody listens.

Yeah, they claim they read, but they never respond, so there is no way to know if they understand.
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Old 27th September 2008, 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Texas Lynn View Post
The method of announcement is insulting to the members. The refusal of those who imposed this policy to state their names and their support for it and the reasons for it is a pretty shabby way to treat folks.
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Old 27th September 2008, 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Texas Lynn View Post
Most of us will not find that at CF, for the paradigm appears to be an eagerness to stifle the politically incorrect.
You forgot to add "while complaining said political incorrectness actually constitutes political correctness which attempts to stifle the 'political incorrectness' of the politically correct by merely existing." Never forget who/what bes driving all this nonsense, after all.
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Oh and don't forget all the special member-specific rules, such as "the only people not permitted to discuss X would be those actually having firsthand experience with X, because everyone knows firsthand experience equates to promotion and heaven forbid anyone should tidy up superstitious and fearful urban legends and stupid half-mythologies constructed from horrible hermaneutics with anything remotely resembling truth or factual accuracy on the subject."
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I don't understand the fuss. The beamishboy doesn't mind if you force me to change my icon so long as it's not an RC icon. If you think I belong more to the Church of Scotland than the CoE because like many CoE priests, I call my Archbishop a papal puppet. But in reality, he's more a politician than a priest. But I'm still an altar boy in the CoE and now, in a foreign land (where I'm on a student exchange programme), they've still made me an altar boy in the local Anglican cathedral.

The only reason for any mod to ask me to change my icon is if they think an Anglican cannot disagree with the Archbishop of Canterbury. But ours is not a papal system and 90% of Anglicans disagree with him. Still, I don't mind an icon change provided it's a mainstream Protestant icon. The beamishboy has no problem with the outside veneer.
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Beamish, not even if it bes deceptive because it falsely represents your own personal faith?
Of course, the thing what concerns ppls here bes not swapping out denominational icons, but forcing those self-identifying as Christian to be regarded as non-believers because their understanding of Christ or Scripture does not conform to some mere human's arbitrary odious self-appointment as Universal Pope of All "Orthodoxy".
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Originally Posted by Moriah_Conquering_Wind View Post
Beamish, not even if it bes deceptive because it falsely represents your own personal faith?
Of course, the thing what concerns ppls here bes not swapping out denominational icons, but forcing those self-identifying as Christian to be regarded as non-believers because their understanding of Christ or Scripture does not conform to some mere human's arbitrary odious self-appointment as Universal Pope of All "Orthodoxy".
I thought CF follows a very broad definition of Christianity, doesn't it? Just the Nicene Creed. The interpretation of the Nicene Creed may differ between RCs and Protestants but I can't imagine how someone who doesn't even believe in the most basic Creed can be termed a Christian.
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Originally Posted by beamishboy View Post
I thought CF follows a very broad definition of Christianity, doesn't it? Just the Nicene Creed. The interpretation of the Nicene Creed may differ between RCs and Protestants but I can't imagine how someone who doesn't even believe in the most basic Creed can be termed a Christian.
Not even! You're only required to agree with the Website's Statement of Faith, and badda-boom! You're a Christian as far as this site is concerned.

Basically beamish, in the old days of CF, when people who were not Trinitarian Christians said they were, Staff would force them to have a Non-Christian/Non-Nicene icon (at least this seems to be the scenario that everyone is having a hernia over.)
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