"Love without truth would be blind; truth without love would be like 'a clanging cymbal' (I Cor 13: 1)."
-- Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, Homily
THE HOLY FATHER The Roman Pontiff, as the successor of Peter, is the perpetual and visible principle and foundation of unity of both the bishops and of the faithful. LUMEN GENTIUM, 23
THE ROMAN CURIA In exercising supreme, full, and immediate power in the universal Church, the Roman pontiff makes use of the departments of the Roman Curia which, therefore, perform their duties in his name and with his authority for the good of the churches and in the service of the sacred pastors. CHRISTUS DOMINUS, 9
If you want definition of what the Church believes that could be added to the FSG's we have several sources:
Personally, I think in the spirit of the bolded statement at the top of this post that there is already enough in the FSG's exactly as they are. Not sure if David agrees to this. Clarity in the site wide rules has been helpful.
Ecumenically, it could be advantageous to embellish them for the sake of the environment however likely unnecessary as the body of site wide rules should address anything that comes up and beyond that need, a case can be made in accordance with the FSG's as they are. I.e.: "Active Promotion of views contrary to the teachings of the Church is prohibited."
We do get a fair amount of passive or "drive by" promotion of views contrary to the Church however which may be something to consider whereby this statement from the FSG's sometimes becomes problematic and or subjective; "It should be noted that acceptance is different from agreement."
Whereby definition of the difference between assent and dissent could be useful but likely and would generally be over convoluted for the purposes of the forum, plausibly shutting out those who are struggling which we would never want to do. Again, in accordance with the bolded statement at the top of this post. http://www.catholicreference.net/index.cfm
Though some clarity between DOCTRINE and DOGMA could be useful for all yet I am reluctant to see doors to ecumenism close and instead seek ways to open them. It seems the gray line between what is fellowship and debate is already subjective enough.
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"Wisdom enters through love, silence, and mortification. It is great wisdom to know how to be silent and to look at neither the remarks, nor the deeds, nor the lives of others." - St John of the Cross, OCD"
"Look for Christ Our Lord in everyone and you will then have respect and reverence for all."
- St Teresa of Jesus, OCD"
Rom 14:22 -
"Do you have faith? Have it to yourself before God. Blessed is the one not condemning himself in what he approves."
"There are not a hundred people in America who hate the Catholic Church. There are millions of people who hate what they wrongly believe to be the Catholic Church— which is, of course, quite a different thing." - Archbishop Fulton Sheen
"Jesus, Mary and Joseph, I love you very much. I beg you to spare the life of the unborn baby that I have spiritually adopted who is in danger of abortion." - Archbishop Fulton Sheen
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Anyone else have more input. I will also post a reminder in OBOB soon so we can get more input.
__________________ Other causes demand commitment, abortion demands complicity. Other causes survive by energy and attention. The survival of the abortion industry - and it is an industry - depends upon avoidance and silence. Bob Casey Sr.
If pregnancy presents a challenge, do we as a society rise to the challenge by dispensing with the child? And when a pregnancy comes at a difficult time, what is the worthier response? Do we surround mother and child with protection and love, or do we hold out to her the cold comfort of a trip to an abortionist? Where is our true character as a nation to be seen - let's ask ourselves this question: Where is our true character to be seen, in an adoptive home, or in an abortion clinic? Who are we? Who are we America? That question deserves an answer. Bob Casey Sr.
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We can start looking over the proposed FSG's section by section if that helps.
__________________ Other causes demand commitment, abortion demands complicity. Other causes survive by energy and attention. The survival of the abortion industry - and it is an industry - depends upon avoidance and silence. Bob Casey Sr.
If pregnancy presents a challenge, do we as a society rise to the challenge by dispensing with the child? And when a pregnancy comes at a difficult time, what is the worthier response? Do we surround mother and child with protection and love, or do we hold out to her the cold comfort of a trip to an abortionist? Where is our true character as a nation to be seen - let's ask ourselves this question: Where is our true character to be seen, in an adoptive home, or in an abortion clinic? Who are we? Who are we America? That question deserves an answer. Bob Casey Sr.
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These guidelines do not replace the site-wide rules, but rather clarify the rule "Congregational Forums wishing to remain safe havens may choose to limit debate to members of their own denomination, insist that all posts conform to their creed etc."
Therefore, posters in this forum and its subforums must post in conformance with all of the following:
Forum-specific Guidelines for the One Bread, One Body (Catholic) Forum
The Congregation-Wide Guidelines apply to this forum. They outline the basic membership and debate guidelines for this forum. Additional guidelines are explained below.
NOTE: Many issues discussed in this forum can be pastoral in nature. If you have any struggles in the faith or deep theological questions, you are strongly encouraged to talk to your priest. You may try to get a better understanding in OBOB, but no one here has the authority of nor can take the place of your priest.
Statement of Faith
The Catholic Church is comprised of all Christians and churches who are united in full communion with His Holiness, Pope Benedict XVI.
This forum is open to those who accept the teachings of the Church, for debate, discussion, and fellowship. It should be noted that acceptance is different from agreement. Catholics may not agree with certain teachings, but they assent to those teachings as a lamb would assent to the gentle prodding of the shepherds crook.
It is hoped that through dialog, those who agree and those who struggle can learn from each other and grow to better understand the truths of our beautiful faith.
Additional guidelines on debate:
Catholics may discuss and dialog with each other on their faith, but active promotion of views contrary to the teachings of the Church is prohibited.
Discussing why we believe something, explaining why you have a problem with something or any other process that seeks to move toward understanding and assent is not prohibited. To struggle is different from obstinate denial.
There is to be no irrational liturgical prejudice. Whether a person attends the Ordinary or Extraordinary use of the Latin Mass, or an Eastern Rite Divine Liturgy, their liturgy must be acknowledged as fully Catholic and of equal dignity with all other Catholic rites. However, liturgical preferences may be expressed, but only in a charitable manner.
Do not use the privilege of the safe haven to throw stones outward at others. Discussion of how we theologically disagree with our brothers and sisters in an effort to understand our Catholic Faith and Christianity as a whole is fine, but anything that is a flame or an attack is not.
If you find a thread in another area of Christian Forums that you believe flames Catholics or attacks our faith in a way that violates Christian Forums rules then report it. Do not come into OBOB and post links to the thread in a manner that escalates a flame war.
The main OBOB forum is designated for discussion that pertains to the entire church. If you wish to discuss or participate in the Charismatic Catholic Renewal, please visit that forum.
So does anyone have any further input on these?
__________________ Other causes demand commitment, abortion demands complicity. Other causes survive by energy and attention. The survival of the abortion industry - and it is an industry - depends upon avoidance and silence. Bob Casey Sr.
If pregnancy presents a challenge, do we as a society rise to the challenge by dispensing with the child? And when a pregnancy comes at a difficult time, what is the worthier response? Do we surround mother and child with protection and love, or do we hold out to her the cold comfort of a trip to an abortionist? Where is our true character as a nation to be seen - let's ask ourselves this question: Where is our true character to be seen, in an adoptive home, or in an abortion clinic? Who are we? Who are we America? That question deserves an answer. Bob Casey Sr.
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Do not use the privilege of the safe haven to throw stones outward at others. Discussion of how we theologically disagree with our brothers and sisters in an effort to understand Christianity as a whole is fine, but anything that is a flame or an attack is not.
If you find a thread in another area of Christian Forums that you believe flames or attacks your congregation in a way that violates Christian Forums rules then report it. Do not come into your own safe haven and post links to the thread in a manner that escalates a flame war.
Also, David do you think this might be more clear: and fellowship by anyone with a link to what fellowship is defined as in the congregation wides?
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"Wisdom enters through love, silence, and mortification. It is great wisdom to know how to be silent and to look at neither the remarks, nor the deeds, nor the lives of others." - St John of the Cross, OCD"
"Look for Christ Our Lord in everyone and you will then have respect and reverence for all."
- St Teresa of Jesus, OCD"
Rom 14:22 -
"Do you have faith? Have it to yourself before God. Blessed is the one not condemning himself in what he approves."
"There are not a hundred people in America who hate the Catholic Church. There are millions of people who hate what they wrongly believe to be the Catholic Church— which is, of course, quite a different thing." - Archbishop Fulton Sheen
"Jesus, Mary and Joseph, I love you very much. I beg you to spare the life of the unborn baby that I have spiritually adopted who is in danger of abortion." - Archbishop Fulton Sheen
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Do not use the privilege of the safe haven to throw stones outward at others. Discussion of how we theologically disagree with our brothers and sisters in an effort to understand Christianity as a whole is fine, but anything that is a flame or an attack is not.
If you find a thread in another area of Christian Forums that you believe flames or attacks your congregation in a way that violates Christian Forums rules then report it. Do not come into your own safe haven and post links to the thread in a manner that escalates a flame war.
Also, David do you think this might be more clear: and fellowship by anyone with a link to what fellowship is defined as in the congregation wides?
Good points. There is a link to that (fellowship) at the top uner Congregation-Wide Guidelines but I think it might need to be more directly stated.
The other points are now covered in site rules:
Disruptive Behavior
You will not disrupt the peace and harmony of the site. Disruptive behavior includes, but is not limited to, the rehashing of alleged grievances or disputes; publicly complaining about posts or threads submitted in forums throughout the site; or ranting about Christian Forums or its staff.
But I would still like them in the FSG's because there are some who mostly/only post in OBOB and they are likely to be only familiar with our FSG's.
__________________ Other causes demand commitment, abortion demands complicity. Other causes survive by energy and attention. The survival of the abortion industry - and it is an industry - depends upon avoidance and silence. Bob Casey Sr.
If pregnancy presents a challenge, do we as a society rise to the challenge by dispensing with the child? And when a pregnancy comes at a difficult time, what is the worthier response? Do we surround mother and child with protection and love, or do we hold out to her the cold comfort of a trip to an abortionist? Where is our true character as a nation to be seen - let's ask ourselves this question: Where is our true character to be seen, in an adoptive home, or in an abortion clinic? Who are we? Who are we America? That question deserves an answer. Bob Casey Sr.
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Good points. There is a link to that (fellowship) at the top uner Congregation-Wide Guidelines but I think it might need to be more directly stated.
The other points are now covered in site rules:
Disruptive Behavior
You will not disrupt the peace and harmony of the site. Disruptive behavior includes, but is not limited to, the rehashing of alleged grievances or disputes; publicly complaining about posts or threads submitted in forums throughout the site; or ranting about Christian Forums or its staff.
But I would still like them in the FSG's because there are some who mostly/only post in OBOB and they are likely to be only familiar with our FSG's.
What I see in reports is a lot of posters falling under one area of rules or guidlines or another, such as knowing the sitewides but not the guidelines for example.
Perhaps more can be added to direct to the rest of the guidlines and how the rules are effected by the FSG's somehow. Just thinking out loud here and about to get off-line for a while. I will give it more thought and see if I can come up with a suggestion later.
Peace.
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"Wisdom enters through love, silence, and mortification. It is great wisdom to know how to be silent and to look at neither the remarks, nor the deeds, nor the lives of others." - St John of the Cross, OCD"
"Look for Christ Our Lord in everyone and you will then have respect and reverence for all."
- St Teresa of Jesus, OCD"
Rom 14:22 -
"Do you have faith? Have it to yourself before God. Blessed is the one not condemning himself in what he approves."
"There are not a hundred people in America who hate the Catholic Church. There are millions of people who hate what they wrongly believe to be the Catholic Church— which is, of course, quite a different thing." - Archbishop Fulton Sheen
"Jesus, Mary and Joseph, I love you very much. I beg you to spare the life of the unborn baby that I have spiritually adopted who is in danger of abortion." - Archbishop Fulton Sheen
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i thought it used to say that non-Catholics can not debate in OBOB, that their posts were limeted to fellowship or asking questions, that is an important rule, many Orthodox Christians feel free to attack the teachings of the Church and debate in OBOB
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i thought it used to say that non-Catholics can not debate in OBOB, that their posts were limeted to fellowship or asking questions, that is an important rule, many Orthodox Christians feel free to attack the teachings of the Church and debate in OBOB
I can make that more explicit but that is covered in the congregation wide guidelines. So that rule still exists and it exists for all congregation areas unless they have made an exception to allowing debate:
Those who disagree with a congregation’s Statement of Faith will not discuss reasons for or against any subject being discussed on this sub-forum. This includes questions that essentially are rebuttal or argumentative in nature. Those who disagree will not engage in theological discussions that defend their particular point of view on scriptural, theological, doctrinal, social, or political issues.
__________________ Other causes demand commitment, abortion demands complicity. Other causes survive by energy and attention. The survival of the abortion industry - and it is an industry - depends upon avoidance and silence. Bob Casey Sr.
If pregnancy presents a challenge, do we as a society rise to the challenge by dispensing with the child? And when a pregnancy comes at a difficult time, what is the worthier response? Do we surround mother and child with protection and love, or do we hold out to her the cold comfort of a trip to an abortionist? Where is our true character as a nation to be seen - let's ask ourselves this question: Where is our true character to be seen, in an adoptive home, or in an abortion clinic? Who are we? Who are we America? That question deserves an answer. Bob Casey Sr.
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Basically if someone does not agree with the Statement of faith they can only post fellowship. And that is defined:
DEFINITION OF A FELLOWSHIP POST
1) It is not debate or apologetics (defense).
Those who disagree with a congregation’s Statement of Faith will not discuss reasons for or against any subject being discussed on this sub-forum. This includes questions that essentially are rebuttal or argumentative in nature. Those who disagree will not engage in theological discussions that defend their particular point of view on scriptural, theological, doctrinal, social, or political issues.
2) It is not answering questions or teaching.
Only a member of the congregational forum may give answers to and instruct on doctrinal questions. While there may be many very good ideas on the subject from non-members, they may not give instruction. Earnest questions are always welcome, from anyone.
3) What Fellowship is:
Essentially fellowship is defined as the discussion of topics of association, of companionship - i.e. discussions of things like friends, family, work..... these topics are fellowship. Posts that offer friendship would certainly be described as fellowship.
__________________ Other causes demand commitment, abortion demands complicity. Other causes survive by energy and attention. The survival of the abortion industry - and it is an industry - depends upon avoidance and silence. Bob Casey Sr.
If pregnancy presents a challenge, do we as a society rise to the challenge by dispensing with the child? And when a pregnancy comes at a difficult time, what is the worthier response? Do we surround mother and child with protection and love, or do we hold out to her the cold comfort of a trip to an abortionist? Where is our true character as a nation to be seen - let's ask ourselves this question: Where is our true character to be seen, in an adoptive home, or in an abortion clinic? Who are we? Who are we America? That question deserves an answer. Bob Casey Sr.
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