Agreed...much of the agitation by certain "Anglo-catholics" everytime a rules / definition change is debated in OBOB has gotten a bit tiresome.
I'm not exactly sure how I'm agitating things by suggesting you include the name of the current Pope! Actually, you've got me - getting you to say "His Holiness/The Holy See Pope Benedict XVI' is really part of my cunning plan to subvert all Catholics here at CF and push an Anglican message.
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Mother of Christ,
Mother of mine,
intercede for us.
Amen.
"Thus abundantly hath the Church of England vindicated her reformation from all pretence of apostasy from the true, ancient Catholic and Apostolic Church...No new Church was set up; no new articles of faith brought in; no new Sacraments; no new order of Priesthood to minister in holy things... only the old were purged from impurities in doctrine, worship and practice. If we were the Catholic Church before, we are still so, and to better purpose." William Cave, The Unity of the Catholic Church maintained in the Church of England
I believe this thread is for discussing some things about the OBOB. I believe it is a thread for the OBOB members and the OBOB staff members to discuss things and work together for solutions. You are not a Catholic who submits to the Magisterium and the OBOB is not your safe haven, STR is though.
God's Peace,
Debbie
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Where Peter is, there is the Church. Where the Church is, there is eternal Life.
"The so-called right to abortion has pitted mothers against their children and women against men. It has sown violence and discord at the heart of the most intimate human relationships. It has aggravated the derogation of the father's role in an increasingly fatherless society"- Mother Theresa
"But I feel that the greatest destroyer of peace today is abortion, because it is a war against the child - a direct killing of the innocent child - murder by the mother herself. And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell other people not to kill one another? How do we persuade a woman not to have an abortion?
As always, we must persuade her with love, and we remind ourselves that love means to be willing to give until it hurts. Jesus gave even his life to love us. So the mother who is thinking of abortion, should be helped to love - that is, to give until it hurts... her plans, or her free time, to respect the life of her child. The father of that child, whoever he is, must also give until it hurts. By abortion, the mother does not learn to love, but kills even her own child to solve her problems.
And by abortion, the father is told that he does not have to take any responsibility at all for the child he has brought into the world. That father is likely to put other women into the same trouble. So abortion just leads to more abortion. Any country that accepts abortion is not teaching the people to love, but to use any violence to get what they want. That is why the greatest destroyer of love and peace is abortion". - Mother Theresa
Michelina is a strong Catholic who knows the Catholic faith better than most. She even was able to teach my husband (NewMan99) some things about our Catholic teachings. She wrote these FSGS for the OBOB and I think these FSGS are the best ones for our OBOB.
We looked at those guidelines in our initial review (or some very similar to them). The problem with much of the points made here are that they are not unique to OBOB, and they overlap, and in some ways are more stringent, than the site-wide rules.
For instance, part of the "no spite reporting" sort of thing is that if someone reports just due to disagreement with a position, it will be voted No Violation (NV). If it continues, the staff should try to clarify the rules with the person who keeps reporting for the wrong reasons. That's just the process by which members learn the rules and learn to post and report within them.
Nor can we force people to "post with charity" or "support your arguments." While these are very good ideas, and should be encouraged, we cannot moderate against them unless the posts violate the site-wide flaming rules.
By and large, the no-flaming rules and the play-nice rules should be enough for your staff to use to moderate your forum.
The time when it is NOT enough is when you have an OBOB-specific issue or topic that continues to cause you grief and strife among your members. Those topics can be added to the debate restrictions as not on-topic, if you wish. For instance, the MJ forum does not allow discussion against the Trinity and does not allow anti-Semitic posts. WWMC does not allow discussion of GLBT topics. PF/C allows people to put [NO DEBATE] in the title of threads so that it is just exploration/agreement, and not debate (if it becomes debate moderators either clean the thread of debate, or they move it to the debate forum).
So, you could add a prohibition against political topics in general, or discussions of manifestations, or other specific issues.
__________________ Many people think that the question should be: have you made Jesus your Lord? Have you invited him unreservedly into your heart? Have you completely dedicated every part of yourself and your life to him?
The trouble is that when we are truthful, the answer must always be "No." So let's ask the question a different way.
Has Jesus given everything for you? Has he dedicated his whole life to you? Has he invited you into his heart? And the answer to that is a glorious and gracious and conscious, freeing, comforting YES!
(paraphrased from Pastor Wolfmueller, Table Talk Radio)
I have some other concerns but will only address them in PM with E team Admins included because it would require their cooperation all the way up the food chain.
The longer these are put off the longer conflicts will arise.
Peace and God bless.
We reviewed your draft when we were looking at our options. (no sense re-inventing the wheel!) However, much of what you state in your draft is already covered in the site-wide rules or are rules about posting style rather than content -- don't be rude, don't flame, no offensive graphics, posts should be short, don't just cut-and-paste from another website, etc. While these are admirable guidelines for any discussion board, they are pretty much already covered in the site-wide rules, or they fall under the category of "netiquette" rather than something our staff should be
moderating.
I have suggested to your admins that you can certainly have a separate sticky thread with suggestions on how to post, which could include netiquette ideas. But they would be suggestions, not enforceable rules.
What we need to focus on here is whether your Statement of Faith covers what you need it to, and whether you want to change your Additional Guidelines on Debate to include or exclude any specific topics.
__________________ Many people think that the question should be: have you made Jesus your Lord? Have you invited him unreservedly into your heart? Have you completely dedicated every part of yourself and your life to him?
The trouble is that when we are truthful, the answer must always be "No." So let's ask the question a different way.
Has Jesus given everything for you? Has he dedicated his whole life to you? Has he invited you into his heart? And the answer to that is a glorious and gracious and conscious, freeing, comforting YES!
(paraphrased from Pastor Wolfmueller, Table Talk Radio)
What we need to focus on here is whether your Statement of Faith covers what you need it to, and whether you want to change your Additional Guidelines on Debate to include or exclude any specific topics.
I think the SOF is exactly as it needs to be and I hope it stays exactly as it is.
What I thought was lacking all along was the site wide rule set and that is being addressed as well (so the spokes are being straightened) and if the suggestions made there are considered and implemented the issue of FSG's is basically irrelevant toward resolving that lacking and the site wide set will guide the whole site toward being better Christians as it should.
Please leave OBOB's Catholic FSG's as is. Thanks.
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"Wisdom enters through love, silence, and mortification. It is great wisdom to know how to be silent and to look at neither the remarks, nor the deeds, nor the lives of others." - St John of the Cross, OCD"
"Look for Christ Our Lord in everyone and you will then have respect and reverence for all."
- St Teresa of Jesus, OCD"
Rom 14:22 -
"Do you have faith? Have it to yourself before God. Blessed is the one not condemning himself in what he approves."
"There are not a hundred people in America who hate the Catholic Church. There are millions of people who hate what they wrongly believe to be the Catholic Church— which is, of course, quite a different thing." - Archbishop Fulton Sheen
"Jesus, Mary and Joseph, I love you very much. I beg you to spare the life of the unborn baby that I have spiritually adopted who is in danger of abortion." - Archbishop Fulton Sheen
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The time when it is NOT enough is when you have an OBOB-specific issue or topic that continues to cause you grief and strife among your members. Those topics can be added to the debate restrictions as not on-topic, if you wish. For instance, the MJ forum does not allow discussion against the Trinity and does not allow anti-Semitic posts. WWMC does not allow discussion of GLBT topics. PF/C allows people to put [NO DEBATE] in the title of threads so that it is just exploration/agreement, and not debate (if it becomes debate moderators either clean the thread of debate, or they move it to the debate forum).
So, you could add a prohibition against political topics in general, or discussions of manifestations, or other specific issues.
Thank you Synger. I'll entrust this into Dave's hands. He has a good heart. I'm sure that if there are further problems regarding the political threads, we'll be able to work together to find a solution like prohibiting certain issues on politics.
God's peace,
Debbie
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Where Peter is, there is the Church. Where the Church is, there is eternal Life.
"The so-called right to abortion has pitted mothers against their children and women against men. It has sown violence and discord at the heart of the most intimate human relationships. It has aggravated the derogation of the father's role in an increasingly fatherless society"- Mother Theresa
"But I feel that the greatest destroyer of peace today is abortion, because it is a war against the child - a direct killing of the innocent child - murder by the mother herself. And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell other people not to kill one another? How do we persuade a woman not to have an abortion?
As always, we must persuade her with love, and we remind ourselves that love means to be willing to give until it hurts. Jesus gave even his life to love us. So the mother who is thinking of abortion, should be helped to love - that is, to give until it hurts... her plans, or her free time, to respect the life of her child. The father of that child, whoever he is, must also give until it hurts. By abortion, the mother does not learn to love, but kills even her own child to solve her problems.
And by abortion, the father is told that he does not have to take any responsibility at all for the child he has brought into the world. That father is likely to put other women into the same trouble. So abortion just leads to more abortion. Any country that accepts abortion is not teaching the people to love, but to use any violence to get what they want. That is why the greatest destroyer of love and peace is abortion". - Mother Theresa
There is also a problem with Catholics in OBOB who think that they are holier and better than other Catholics, who fail to understand the complexities and nuances of their Faith, and who do NOT have a fundamental understanding of Her teaching, but instead insert their own very narrow opinions about what a Catholic is.
Interesting thought. The current Statement of Faith says that membership "is open to those who accept the teachings of the Church". Is that too broad? Do we need more definition of what the teachings are? Some forums have links to specific statements of faith, confessions, and catechisms. Do you need more of a "What Catholics believe" benchmark for your SoF?
__________________ Many people think that the question should be: have you made Jesus your Lord? Have you invited him unreservedly into your heart? Have you completely dedicated every part of yourself and your life to him?
The trouble is that when we are truthful, the answer must always be "No." So let's ask the question a different way.
Has Jesus given everything for you? Has he dedicated his whole life to you? Has he invited you into his heart? And the answer to that is a glorious and gracious and conscious, freeing, comforting YES!
(paraphrased from Pastor Wolfmueller, Table Talk Radio)
I'd say it's best to leave it as is and simply ammend whenever there's a new Pope. It would be totally justifiable to refer to the Archbishop of Canterbury as the Holy See for example. To specify Pope Benedict would remove any 'wiggle room'.
How about "The Bishop of Rome"? I think almost every Christian, Catholic or not, would understand that you mean the Pope. *only slightly tongue in cheek*
__________________ Many people think that the question should be: have you made Jesus your Lord? Have you invited him unreservedly into your heart? Have you completely dedicated every part of yourself and your life to him?
The trouble is that when we are truthful, the answer must always be "No." So let's ask the question a different way.
Has Jesus given everything for you? Has he dedicated his whole life to you? Has he invited you into his heart? And the answer to that is a glorious and gracious and conscious, freeing, comforting YES!
(paraphrased from Pastor Wolfmueller, Table Talk Radio)
Quite a bit, as he is the Admin specifically assigned to OBOB. I started this thread and drew up the initial draft based on initial discussions with him.
This discussion thread is for information-gathering and concern-raising among the community that will use and be impacted by these FSGs, but the Administrators ultimately approve them. This is not a democratic process, but more like a workgroup tasked to make suggestions to the Administrators.
I merely serve as a kind of facilitator/secretary here, but I don't make the decisions. He and the other Administrators will approve the final FSG.
__________________ Many people think that the question should be: have you made Jesus your Lord? Have you invited him unreservedly into your heart? Have you completely dedicated every part of yourself and your life to him?
The trouble is that when we are truthful, the answer must always be "No." So let's ask the question a different way.
Has Jesus given everything for you? Has he dedicated his whole life to you? Has he invited you into his heart? And the answer to that is a glorious and gracious and conscious, freeing, comforting YES!
(paraphrased from Pastor Wolfmueller, Table Talk Radio)
I'll entrust this into Dave's hands. He has a good heart. I'm sure that if there are further problems regarding the political threads, we'll be able to work together to find a solution like prohibiting certain issues on politics.
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