Recommend me some good books on end times prophesy please!

LittleLambofJesus · #31 6th November 2008, 01:45 AM

Originally Posted by Sphinx777

Here is a list of various books on Christian eschatology...

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Thanks Sphinx!!!! For those that are ready to leave the "milk" and get to the "solid food"

Preterist

Adams, Jay. The Time is at Hand (1966, Phillipsburg, New Jersey: Presbyterian and Reformed Publishing)

Chilton, David. The Days of Vengeance: An Exposition of the Book of Revelation (1987, Ft. Worth, Texas: Dominion Press)

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Luke 21:31 Thus also ye whenever ye may be seeing these-things becoming ye are knowing that NIGH/egguV <1451> is the Kingdom of the God.

Revelation 1:3 Blessed the one reading, and the ones hearing the Words of the Prophecy and keepings in it having been Written, for the Time Is-NIGH/egguV <1451>.

Bible2 · #32 29th November 2008, 04:47 PM

Because God alone is good (Luke 18:19, Revelation 15:4),
his books alone are good; every book written by men will
have to be checked against what the books of the Bible
say (Acts 17:11), so why not start and remain with the
books of the Bible? (2 Timothy 3:16-4:4, John 8:31).

hiscosmicgoldfish2 · #33 29th November 2008, 06:20 PM

The Prewrath Rapture of the Church by Marvin Rosenthal

I'll give this book a go. I dont 'buy' the pre-trib.. I'm a post trib'er.. but interested by ideas that the saved will not experience God's end-time wrath.. so we'll see..

yeshuasavedme · #34 29th November 2008, 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by Slothapotamus

The pre-trib outlook for the end times seems to be the dominant mindset just now among western churches. I've read some books about it over the years (Hal Lindsey and Walvoord mainly) after getting into the Left Behind series, but I've never been entirely convinced. When I've studied the verses on my own I've often wondered how pre-tribers have come to their conclusions.

As a result I've decided that it's time I looked at other views on the end times and I was wondering if anyone here knew of any good books that detailed these views clearly? The only view I'm not interested in examining is Preterism (both full and partial) as I genuinely believe Jesus and John (in Revelation) made predictions about events still to come. So I'm mainly interested in mid or post tribulation rapture studies.

I'm aware that there are tonnes of threads on these forums detailing people's believes and ideas about end-times prophesy. I'm not looking to start another one of them (you'll be pleased to know). All I'm basically asking for is some good book recommendations. Thanks.

1 Enoch. The first book on eschatology.

http://www.ccel.org/c/charles/otpseudepig/enoch.htm

INTRODUCTION

[Chapter 1]
1 The words of the blessing of Enoch, wherewith he blessed the elect and righteous, who will be 2 living in the day of tribulation, when all the wicked and godless are to be removed. And he took up his parable and said -Enoch a righteous man, whose eyes were opened by God, saw the vision of the Holy One in the heavens, which the angels showed me, and from them I heard everything, and from them I understood as I saw, but not for this generation, but for a remote one which is 3 for to come. Concerning the elect I said, and took up my parable concerning them:
The Holy Great One will come forth from His dwelling,
4 And the eternal God will tread upon the earth, (even) on Mount Sinai,
[And appear from His camp]
And appear in the strength of His might from the heaven of heavens.
5 And all shall be smitten with fear
And the Watchers shall quake,
And great fear and trembling shall seize them unto the ends of the earth.
6 And the high mountains shall be shaken,
And the high hills shall be made low,
And shall melt like wax before the flame
7 And the earth shall be wholly rent in sunder,
And all that is upon the earth shall perish,
And there shall be a judgement upon all (men).
8 But with the righteous He will make peace.
And will protect the elect,
And mercy shall be upon them.
And they shall all belong to God,
And they shall be prospered,
And they shall all be blessed.
And He will help them all,
And light shall appear unto them,
And He will make peace with them'.
9 And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones
To execute judgement upon all,
And to destroy all the ungodly:
And to convict all flesh
Of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ungodly committed,
And of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.

Enoch's writings tell it all, in parables, visions , dreams and revelations, and makes the OT and NT understandable on the issues [don't read Isaiah and Revelation without it

], for his writings form the foundation used and spoken of in the OT and NT, of all doctrinal truths concerning the work of redemption by the Son of Man whom Enoch saw hidden in heaven, with God, and who was God, and who was to come.

Enoch also had the revelation of the "rapture" of the [prepared] saints pre-trib, and also was the first example of the raptured/laqach Saints.

yeshuasavedme · #35 29th November 2008, 09:08 PM

Originally Posted by Notrash

Which chapter talks about the destruction of the one in 70 AD then?
Or is that one mysteriously skipped by all prophetic writers?

The desolation did not end, and has not ended ,which began at the departure of the Glory in Ezekiel chapters 1-10.
Only when that Glory returns will the desolation end; and that Glory returns in the Person of YHWH come in flesh, when He plants the soles of His feet in the Holy of Holies as High Priest, and reigns as High King, combining both offices at His return to the Millennial Temples's Holy of Holies, as Ezekiel reports in chapter 44.

Bible2 · #36 30th December 2008, 03:54 AM

The Good Book says that none of the saved will experience God's
wrath (1 Thessalonians 5:9), even though some of them will still
be alive on the earth during the vials of God's wrath (Revelation
16), still waiting for Jesus' coming as a thief (Revelation
16:15) in Revelation 19:7-21.

Before the vials of wrath begin, those in the church still
alive on the earth could go into protective chambers which
they'll have built for themselves on the earth (Isaiah 26:20).

---

Nothing in the book of Enoch teaches or requires a pre-trib
rapture. The Good Book specifically says that the rapture will
be post-trib (Matthew 24:29-31).

jellybean99 · #37 30th December 2008, 06:40 PM

"Recommend me some good books on end times prophesy please!"

I understand your desire to get up to speed re: endtime prophecy, for the end times are upon us! That being said, there is no one better situated than this generation to interpret Scripture that refers to the end times than we are. While we can look to past scholars to provide vague pointers to the endtimes, Jesus points out to the reader that it is only those living in the endtimes and watching for key events who will be able to discern the end of the age.

Here's a primer to get you started:

http://www.ellisskolfield.com/pdf/TFPChapters1-9.pdf
http://www.ellisskolfield.com/pdf/TFPChapters10-17.pdf

Here's a couple of links to bring you up to speed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_Kjk0oX94g

http://christianforums.com/showthrea...3#post49964793

Here's a few key Scriptures worth reading:
Matthew 24
Revelation 6
Daniel 9:26,27
Daniel 12:11,12
Revelation 3:14-22
Revelation 17,18

These Scriptures will give you an idea what to watch out for and how to overcome by faith the Great Tribulation that looms over us.

HisdaughterJen · #38 30th December 2008, 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by yeshuasavedme

The desolation did not end, and has not ended ,which began at the departure of the Glory in Ezekiel chapters 1-10.
Only when that Glory returns will the desolation end; and that Glory returns in the Person of YHWH come in flesh, when He plants the soles of His feet in the Holy of Holies as High Priest, and reigns as High King, combining both offices at His return to the Millennial Temples's Holy of Holies, as Ezekiel reports in chapter 44.

This intrigues me...

The Glory departed in Ezekiel due to the rebellion of Israel....but when, exactly?

Obviously, the Glory departed before the "four dreadful judgments" were sent upon Jerusalem (Ezek 14:21)....and Jesus said that the house was left to them desolate in Matt 23:34-38.

So, I'm wondering when the Glory departed...when Jesus was killed? Before that?

This sort of gives a different perspective as to what, exactly, the abomination of desolation is. The abomination that causes desolation, instead of being the anti-christ, would be the rebellion of Israel.

Mat 23:34Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town.
Mat 23:35And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.
Mat 23:36I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation.
Mat 23:37"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing.
Mat 23:38Look, your house is left to you desolate.
Mat 23:39For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.'

Hosea tells us how long this desolation lasts:

Hsa 6:1Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.

Hsa 6:2After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

yeshuasavedme · #39 31st December 2008, 02:34 AM

Originally Posted by HisdaughterJen

This intrigues me...

The Glory departed in Ezekiel due to the rebellion of Israel....but when, exactly?

Obviously, the Glory departed before the "four dreadful judgments" were sent upon Jerusalem (Ezek 14:21)....and Jesus said that the house was left to them desolate in Matt 23:34-38.

So, I'm wondering when the Glory departed...when Jesus was killed? Before that?

In Ezekiel chapters 1-10 the Glory departs the Holy of Holies, before the temple is destroyed.
The Glory never returned to the second temple, as the "bread offered in it was polluted", as Enoch says in the dream visions.
Jesus is the Glory returning, and because they did not receive Him, their house was left "desolate".
The Church, made of redeemed Jews and Gentiles, got the Glory indwelling on Pentecost, as the true second temple -not made with hands [human being kind], which the temple commanded by Moses was to be a type and example of.
When the Millennial temple is built, Jesus comes into it as the Glory of God returning, in Person. Ezekiel 43. It is still going to be an example of the true eternal temple not made with hands, for the thousand years. After that, there will be no more temple, for the house is completed, for the Glory, made of redeemed humans of the two harvests of earth.

Eze 43:1 AFTERWARD he brought me to the gate, the gate that faces toward the east.
Eze 43:2 And behold, the glory of the God of Israel came from the way of the east. His voice was like the sound of many waters; and the earth shone with His glory.
Eze 43:3 It was like the appearance of the vision which I saw--like the vision which I saw when I came to destroy the city. The visions were like the vision which I saw by the River Chebar; and I fell on my face.
Eze 43:4 And the glory of the LORD came into the temple by way of the gate which faces toward the east.
Eze 43:5 The Spirit lifted me up and brought me into the inner court; and behold, the glory of the LORD filled the temple.
Eze 43:6 Then I heard Him speaking to me from the temple, while a man stood beside me.
Eze 43:7 And He said to me, "Son of man, this is the place of My throne and the place of the soles of My feet, where I will dwell in the midst of the children of Israel forever. No more shall the house of Israel defile My holy name, they nor their kings, by their harlotry or with the carcasses of their kings on their high places.

SummaScriptura · #40 31st December 2008, 11:15 AM

I used to be a pan-millenialist, believing "it will all pan out in the end" and we can't really decipher the Biblical prophecies. I also did not believe the rapture was anything other than the 2nd coming of Christ.

Until I read:

Footsteps of the Messiah by Arnold Fruchtenbaum

I've read a lot of books on eschatology. Now this is the only one that remains on my bookshelf since no others are needed. This is the omnibus on the subject.