Atheist ethics, atheist values

Why would we all be different species if all living humans were born of other humans?


"Non-godian." I'll have to remember that one.

At any rate, are you referring to the Francis Collins who even though he sees the work of a god in DNA,

. . . ACCEPTS evolution as unequivocally evident and is working to progress our current understanding of evolution? Is it that Francis Collins?

Yea. He's a brilliant scientist. Curiously enough he's a Christian and an evolutionist. He sees no conflicts in the matter. He simply realizes that the Bible is not meant to be a book of science and doesn't take every single word from the Bible literally.

You haven't been here long. I haven't used The Usual Suspects in awhile to describe how homogenized you all are.

"a" god? He sees the God. Of course he does. He uses reason and actuality and not emotionalism as do The Usual Suspects.

Evolution? Which one? Darwins Finches were, and still are birds. Buffed out beaks and not humping the birds from a different tribe the next block over does not your Evolution Bogey-man make. The puffiness is out of that hot air balloon.

Now on to reality that all things are created.

Curiously enough? Brilliant scientist and Christian, are hand to glove. Literally.

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Nice try but I didn't say "curiosuly, he's a Christian and a brilliant scientist, did I?

I said "Curiously enough he's a Christian and an evolutionist."

Evolution is just not the anti-Christ it once was. And BOO! doesn't work any more either. Forget the old fashion cognitive dissonance tactics junior and try to prove something can come from nothing by nothing causing it.

The bully of atheism has lost his ability to punch hard anymore.

Evolution? Which one? Darwins Finches were, and still are birds. Buffed out beaks and not humping the birds from a different tribe the next block over does not your Evolution Bogey-man make. The puffiness is out of that hot air balloon.

I'm just glad we came to an agreement that the person you used to back up your statement believes in Darwinian evolution, common descent, natural selection, etc.

If all the people you are going to trust are reasonable and knowledgeable people like Dr. Collins, then we're gonna get along just fine, Poly.

I am a scientist and a believer, and I find no conflict between those world views.

As the director of the Human Genome Project, I have led a consortium of scientists to read out the 3.1 billion letters of the human genome, our own DNA instruction book. As a believer, I see DNA, the information molecule of all living things, as God's language, and the elegance and complexity of our own bodies and the rest of nature as a reflection of God's plan.

I had to admit that the science I loved so much was powerless to answer questions such as "What is the meaning of life?" "Why am I here?" "Why does mathematics work, anyway?" "If the universe had a beginning, who created it?" "Why are the physical constants in the universe so finely tuned to allow the possibility of complex life forms?"

So, some have asked, doesn't your brain explode? Can you both pursue an understanding of how life works using the tools of genetics and molecular biology, and worship a creator God? Aren't evolution and faith in God incompatible? Can a scientist believe in miracles like the resurrection?

Actually, I find no conflict here, and neither apparently do the 40 percent of working scientists who claim to be believers.

Yes, evolution by descent from a common ancestor is clearly true. If there was any lingering doubt about the evidence from the fossil record, the study of DNA provides the strongest possible proof of our relatedness to all other living things. But why couldn't this be God's plan for creation?

True, this is incompatible with an ultra-literal interpretation of Genesis, but long before Darwin, there were many thoughtful interpreters like St. Augustine, who found it impossible to be exactly sure what the meaning of that amazing creation story was supposed to be. So attaching oneself to such literal interpretations in the face of compelling scientific evidence pointing to the ancient age of Earth and the relatedness of living things by evolution seems neither wise nor necessary for the believer.

I have found there is a wonderful harmony in the complementary truths of science and faith. The God of the Bible is also the God of the genome. God can be found in the cathedral or in the laboratory. By investigating God's majestic and awesome creation, science can actually be a means of worship.

- Collins: Why this scientist believes in God

- Collins: Why this scientist believes in God - CNN.com

Welcome to an eternity in Christ then. The Creator. Feel free to keep your opinions as long as you wish.

Time for an icon change pal.

Cool. It's one of the interviews I read of him along with the one on the Discover website.

That must mean that like Dr. Collins you won't be taking a literal interpretation of the Bible when compelling evidence contradicts it. Fantastic! So, I would like to formally welcome you among the evolutionists who, like Dr. Collins use evidence, experimentation, and observations in nature to arrive at logical conclusions. Good for you, sport!