The atheist's position comes down to taunts and puffy positioning of science that can no more support atheism than it does support the Easter Bunny.
Your position seems to come down to dodging questions, claiming victory, claiming that your opponents do nothing but insult and mock all the while throwing out insults and mocking your opponents.
I think it is because everyone, by and large, is being pretty polite- using their in-born logical standards of discussion (that should include a polite consideration of other's opinions) to further understanding. Of course- there are also the more defined standards set by the web site- and the knowledge that you are only one little "report" button away from being held accountable for what you say if you violate the site standards.
There is also one other standard I use- the one that I display under my signature at top left ("iEDIT"). It is an admission that I am only human and may not always "get it" when it comes to other's sensitivities- so I offer the iEDIT as an invitation to others to let me know if they think I've overstepped the bounds- and I will gladly, without being hung-up by pride, re-consider a post and change it if it unnecessarily offends.
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Before the typical Skeptic bash fest begins on High Ross, I thought I'd be fair and post a common rumbln, bumblin, stumblin, (nyah, it's actually fairly OK for I-dot net) critique of Ross from (of course) infidels.net:
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And finishes:
And so it goes . . .
Ah, infidels.net. I was a mod on their forums at a time. I got flak for being a theistic pagan.
See, PC_F, we're not THAT far apart. I just consider your morality just as immoral as you consider mine.
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Thanks. Interesting reading, to be sure- but does not really delve into the original question of whether, given a statistically large enough population, people of faith are more likely to sin than those who are atheists.
My guess is that amongst the very limited prison population that the study you referenced referred to, there would still be many more clientele who would admit that "the devil made me do it", rather than God.
I'm not sure if your first question is entirely provable. Correlation does not always lead to causation, but I suppose this link: "http://bhascience.blogspot.com/2009/06/atheist-nations-are-more-peaceful.html" is useful.
As for your second assertion, I am not sure how saying that "the devil made me do it" is relevant. If they identify as Christian, and they are arrested as criminals, then they are Christian criminals, regardless of whether their motivations were due to the devil or not, correct?
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Robo-believers? Game over man, game over!
Not, it can work...You see, babies need attention and food, teenagesr need food and money, and guys living with their mothers need money and beer; but robots only require energon cubes. Better yet, we could construct churches that double as consciousness repositories and network everyone into a new denomination that overlooks the pitiful boundaries of flesh.
The atheist's position comes down to taunts and puffy positioning of science that can no more support atheism than it does support the Easter Bunny. And then when that runs out they blame Sky Daddy for babies born blind. Yeah, real deep thoughts.
Have a peeps and a smile.
Ignoring your obvious "nyaaa nyaaa" insults for a second...
Atheism doesn't "support" it's position, because it doesn't need to. It's a lack of belief in something. The burden of proof is on the person(s) making the positive statement. In this case, the positive statement is "God exists". It's up to the theist to support their position.
With reference to several posts above, I always find it interesting when us human beings- no matter whether we are believers or not- try to logically figure out what the Universe is all about with our quantum physics, theory of relativity, etc. etc.
Oh to be sure- we all have some semblance of logic and rational thought- but when it comes to understanding the infinite nature of the Universe, never mind the God that made it, we are like a little gnat looking up at a computer screen who will never ever, even in a gazillion years, figure out where the image comes from, let alone how to design and build such a device.
Such arrogance. Such naivety. When will we ever learn to be truly humble in the presence of God's creation.
The same was said about the Sun and Moon. Good thing science didn't listen eh?
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Someone did actually win the $250,000 prize that Kent Hovind was offering. I think his name was Ivan Renee Spradling, but the news kept refering to his initials, IRS. Hovind was even so nice as to give him his Dinosaur/Creationist theme park as well. What a swell guy.
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There are people who find happiness in self flagellation; that does not mean we have to follow their way of life! What is good for you is not good for me; an example being: Will you allow your wife and daughter to wear a burkha? In other societies it is considered good and a way to come closer to god! Besides our church (Greek Orthodox) prohibits proselytism!
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Your position seems to come down to dodging questions, claiming victory, claiming that your opponents do nothing but insult and mock all the while throwing out insults and mocking your opponents.
Your position seems to come down to dodging questions, claiming victory, claiming that your opponents do nothing but insult and mock all the while throwing out insults and mocking your opponents.
It's been 'working' for him so far.
By the by, what happened to this site, you could barely squeeze a post in 6 months ago?
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Ah, infidels.net. I was a mod on their forums at a time. I got flak for being a theistic pagan.
Freethinkers always thinking exactly the same. Oh, yeah. OK.
See, PC_F, we're not THAT far apart. I just consider your morality just as immoral as you consider mine.
As well you should for a couple of reasons, I let my kids celebrate Christmas and Easter, and I truly love bashing back atheists that think they can mock Christians as if they are deep thinkers on anything other than bashing Christians. I shouldn't love to see them get all huffy when they have to eat the garbage they throw out. I'm a bad Christian.
And by the way, much of paganism is beauty. Love of the earth and the creation. A lot of my young life was lived with thoughts that align well with paganism. Just as an atheist being an atheist because of suffering and injustice is an awesome person for that position.
But the whole "Christians are idiots" because we believe in Christianity as sensible and as reality, you better have more effective ammo than Dawkins and Hitchens and infidels dot net. There are many Christian scientists and a heck of a lot of Christian medical Doctors. I'm sorry Mr Dawkins, Mr. Hitchens, those Christian people as idiots? That's stupid. It boils down to the Atheist's holding on to the No True Scotsman silliness that they slap us in the face with. Once I turn the other cheek, I get to slap back. Isn't that how it goes? I'm sure an atheist will tell me.
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