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18th June 2009, 04:04 PM
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Reps: 21,273,403,002,915,972 (power: 21,273,403,002,926) | | Originally Posted by b&wpac4  How many do you know? There's a huge rift between Jews who practice Judaism and Messianic Jews to such an extent that family ties are sometimes severed because of it.
Well, there's my very good friend from childhood. There are the members of the messianic congregation whose leader has spoken at our church. My co-worker and friend, her sister and two of her brothers.
Of course there is a huge rift. There are huge rifts that divide families when a Catholic becomes a non-catholic such as a Lutheran or Buddist. Faith can be so closely held that it trumps family ties.
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Reps: 622,365,155,739,938,304 (power: 622,365,155,739,949) | | | I was merely addressing that there are family ties that have broken up because of it. Not taking sides on the issue, but I'm sure there are Messianics that don't "like it just fine" that they have lost contact with their family. It is actually a huge issue.
Not that they abandon their faith due to the issue, but to suggest they are happy with the situation is absurd. |
18th June 2009, 04:11 PM
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Reps: 21,273,403,002,915,972 (power: 21,273,403,002,926) | | Originally Posted by b&wpac4 I was merely addressing that there are family ties that have broken up because of it. Not taking sides on the issue, but I'm sure there are Messianics that don't "like it just fine" that they have lost contact with their family. It is actually a huge issue.
Not that they abandon their faith due to the issue, but to suggest they are happy with the situation is absurd.
No one suggested that anyone is happy with that situation. It's foolish to say it. What they are very happy with is being called what they see themselves as. . .Messianic Jews. You don't give up your Jewishness, your Jewish heritage when you embrace Jesus as your Lord and Savior.
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Reps: 21,124,454,843,429,512 (power: 21,124,454,843,460) | | Originally Posted by Polycarp_fan You'ld be speaking german, arabic or russian if it weren't for the US.
You almost make it sound like there´s something wrong with speaking german, arabic or russian. My mother´s tongue is german, and I´m not really unhappy with that.
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Reps: 3,078,300,513 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Polycarp_fan That would come as a surprise to the Apostles and all of the Jews that brought us what is now called Christianity.
No doubt alot of what christianity has turned into would come as a surprise to them.
Christianity and Judaism are two distinctly different religions, to make the claim to be both is silly. |
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Reps: 3,078,300,513 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by rosenherman Wrong Bubba. Messianic Jews are indeed Jewish Christians and/or Christian Jews. (Your choice)
They have whole congregations of them, you'd be amazed.
Ok, bubba, either they believe that Jesus is the messiah or they dont.
One makes them Jews, bubba.
The other makes them Christians, bubba.
They can't be both. |
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Reps: 21,273,403,002,915,972 (power: 21,273,403,002,926) | | Originally Posted by Morcova Christianity and Judaism are two distinctly different religions, to make the claim to be both is silly.
You are in no position to tell Messianic Jews that they can't be Messianic Jews. They are born into a Jewish family with Jewish roots and Jewish practices. They come to know that Jesus is their Lord and Savior. They don't give up their Jewish roots or practices. They are Jews who accept Jesus as Lord and Savior, i.e. Christians. Messianic Jews.
Check with
UMJC - Union of Messianic Jewish Congregations
or
IAMCS | International Alliance of Messianic Congregations and ...
The spiritual vision of the IAMCS is to see the outpouring of Gd's Spirit upon our Jewish people through Messianic congregations.
or
The Messianic Jewish Congregational Movement
or
Messianic Jewish Congregations in your own neighborhood. I'm sure they can explain it to you.
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18th June 2009, 06:21 PM
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Reps: 21,273,403,002,915,972 (power: 21,273,403,002,926) | | Originally Posted by Morcova Ok, bubba, either they believe that Jesus is the messiah or they dont.
One makes them Jews, bubba.
The other makes them Christians, bubba.
They can't be both.
You, obviously have no idea what you are talking about. Google Messianic Jewish Congregations and see how many there are.
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