Shroud of Turin

So... since it didn't pop up until the 1300's... whatcha think of this "cloth that was the burial shroud of christ"?

Do you think it's real? Sham? Somewhere in between?

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Originally Posted by ElsanRandiMom

So... since it didn't pop up until the 1300's... whatcha think of this "cloth that was the burial shroud of christ"?

Do you think it's real? Sham? Somewhere in between?

COMPLETE SHAM.

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The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands.

The fact that none of the early writers mentioned it tends to say that it wasn't of Jesus. The fact that scientist cannot figure out how it was created makes for a great mystery.

Yarddog

yeah, I think that's the fun part. I like anything that makes "learned men" scratch their heads and go "huh?" (bad me)

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What's up ERM?

The discovery channel seems to think it's real so who am I to question!

While you're at it can you find out who shot JFK and whether or not OJ is guilty and if the Black Sox scandal really went down the way they said?

Go Cards!

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right - heck, I'd like to know how the big bang occured too

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It has been known in the Orthodox Church as "The Shroud of Edessa" since the 500's. It was found in a box burried inside a wall at Edessa.

Are you familiar with the icon of Christ called "The Pantocrator"? It was the first icon of Christ as a "grown man" and it's image (head and shoulders) were taken from the shroud. The earliest one (icon) that still survives today is from the 700's, however it is a copy of much older works that are no longer with.

Upon close examination there are more that 700 points of detail between this icon and the shroud, including the flowers above his head to the left and right of the halo.


Now I would ask, if this is a fake shroud from the 1300's or 1400's how is it that an icon dated to the 700's and is known to be a copy of a much older work has more than 700 points of commonality?

Forgive me...

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then why would science and researchers not take this into consideration at all? (if it's so well established)

I'm supposing that they are looking for documented things outside just a church realm (hehehe, but that's just one of my guesses)

If it was known to the Orthodox church, why didn't they claim it and care for it instead of allowing the son of a Templar to sell it to the highest bidder as a show piece?

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I also find it interesting to see that the shroud is displayed in the Orthodox icons of "Good Friday" being laid upon Christ in the same was as the shroud would have had to laid on Christ if it is real. The icons far predate the controversial topic.

Forgive me...

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A shroud you mean

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