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Question on other Disciple John 18:15

Does anyone have a view on who this "other disciple" is in John 18:15? Just curious. Thanks.

John 18:15 Followed yet to the Jesus Simon Peter, and the other Disciple, the yet Disciple that was known to the chief-priest and together coming to the Jesus into the Court of the Chief-priest.
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And He hath taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
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Therefore then, the children have partaken of flesh and blood, and He in like manner did partake to the same.
That thru the death He might take-away the one having the power of the death, that is the Devil


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I always assumed it as John - 20:2 - the other disciple, whom Jesus loved
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Originally Posted by Kristos View Post
I always assumed it as John - 20:2 - the other disciple, whom Jesus loved
The more I studied on that rich-man/lazarus Parable, the more I came to really study on Lazarus.
One of the greatest Miracles performed by JESUS in the whole NT, and he is mentioned only in Chapt 16 of Luke and John 11 and 12.

The Chief-priest claimed to know him and in fact, the Chief-priests conspired to kill Lazarus because of him being proof of Jesus actually resurrecting someone after that long period of time. I am thinking it could have been Lazarus.

John 11:5 Loved/hgapa <25> (5707) yet the Jesus the Martha and the sister of her and the Lazarus. 11 These things he said and after this He is saying to them "Lazarus, the friend of us has fallen asleep but I am going that I should be awaking him. 14 Now this then said to them the Jesus to boldness Lazarus died. 43 And these things saying, to a voice great He cried out "Lazarus! hither thee! outside............

John 12:10 Devising yet the Chief-priests that also the Lazarus they may be killing. 11 That many because of him were led away of the Judeans and believed into the Jesus.
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Therefore then, the children have partaken of flesh and blood, and He in like manner did partake to the same.
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Hello Lamb,

It's John. He doesn't refer to himself by name in his Gospel. He dies it in John 19: 26-27, 20:2-4 & 8, 21:7, 21:20
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Originally Posted by Yarddog View Post
Hello Lamb,

It's John. He doesn't refer to himself by name in his Gospel. He dies it in John 19: 26-27, 20:2-4 & 8, 21:7, 21:20
Ok thanks for your view. I am fairly open minded on this, as Jesus loved Lazarus also.

John 19:27 Thereafter He is saying to the Disciple "Behold! the mother of thee" and from that the hour, her, the Disciple into the own.
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Having blotted out the handwriting in the ordinances that is against us, that was contrary to us.
And He hath taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
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Therefore then, the children have partaken of flesh and blood, and He in like manner did partake to the same.
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Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus View Post
Ok thanks for your view. I am fairly open minded on this, as Jesus loved Lazarus also.

John 19:27 Thereafter He is saying to the Disciple "Behold! the mother of thee" and from that the hour, her, the Disciple into the own.
But is Lazarus ever referred to as a disciple?
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Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus View Post
John 12:10 Devising yet the Chief-priests that also the Lazarus they may be killing. 11 That many because of him were led away of the Judeans and believed into the Jesus.
Mornin' LLoJ. Doncha think it rather strange that even when a certain one, Lazarus, was raised from the DEAD that they STILL couldn't/wouldn't believe Jesus, and in fact sought to KILL both HE and Lazarus?

One MIGHT think that in the midst of such a MIRACLE they would ALL be in stunned awe and adoration.

Jesus spoke well of the 'rich man' and his brothers saying they would NOT, no not even if one came back from the grave.

31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

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Hello Lamb,

It's John. He doesn't refer to himself by name in his Gospel. He dies it in John 19: 26-27, 20:2-4 & 8, 21:7, 21:20
If John is the Beloved Disciple in all those verses, why isn't he in John 1:35 and 1:43? Answer: the Apostle John was not in John 1; it was Andrew who brought Peter to Jesus: 1:40-42.
My initial studies of John taught me that John had no part in writing it, nor was he the Beloved Disciple. I tended to think it was Lazarus. But long ago I changed my mind--John did write the parts where he described himself as the Beloved Disciple (presumably in humility).
But as for "the other disciple" of John 18:15-16, I have always known he was not John nor to be identified with the Beloved Disciple. He is obviously John Mark, who was wealthy. (Acts 12:12-17) It is usually thought that the Last Supper took place at his house. I even extend my personal opinion to include John Mark as the Rich Young Man who went away from Jesus sorrowfully. Gospel writers tended to leave in vignettes that reflected unfavorably upon themselves. (Many scholars recognize John Mark also as the young man who fled away naked: Mark 14:51-52.)
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Mornin' LLoJ. Doncha think it rather strange that even when a certain one, Lazarus, was raised from the DEAD that they STILL couldn't/wouldn't believe Jesus, and in fact sought to KILL both HE and Lazarus?

One MIGHT think that in the midst of such a MIRACLE they would ALL be in stunned awe and adoration.

Jesus spoke well of the 'rich man' and his brothers saying they would NOT, no not even if one came back from the grave.

31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

enjoy!
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Thanks squint. The event at the tomb is intersting when they see a "young-man" sitting in a White Robe.
While translating revelation and looking up where words are used, the word for Robes is used on 4 time in the Gospels and 2 of them for the Scribes.
Could that messenger have been symbolizing and OC Scribe? Pretty interesting

Mark 16:5 And entering into the tomb they saw a young-man sitting in the rights having been about-cast a robe/stolhn <4749>, white, and they were awed/alarmed.

Mark 12:38 And He said to them in the teaching of Him "be heeding ye from the Scribes, the ones willing in robes/stolaiV <4749> to be walking about and greetings in the Markets

Luke 20:46 Be ye heeding from the Scribes the ones willing to be walking about in robes/stolaiV <4749> and being fond of greetings in the markets and the first seats in the Synagogues and first reclining places in the suppers.

Reve 6:11 And was given to them each a robe/stolai <4749>, white, and it was declared to them that they should be resting still a time, little, till may be being filled also the together-bond-servants of them and the brothers of them, the ones being about to be being killed as also they.

4749. stole stol-ay' from 4724; equipment, i.e. (specially), a "stole" or long-fitting gown (as a mark of dignity):--long clothing (garment), (long) robe.
9 times. Mark [2 times] Luke [2 times] Reve 6:11, 7:9,13, 14 Reve 22:14
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Thanks squint. The event at the tomb is intersting when they see a "young-man" sitting in a White Robe.
While translating revelation and looking up where words are used, the word for Robes is used on 4 time in the Gospels and 2 of them for the Scribes.
Could that messenger have been symbolizing and OC Scribe? Pretty interesting
Uh, no. Jesus advised that we should heed THE WORD and not the actions of those 'handling' THE WORD because they were rabid hypocrites. So you and I always go back to the WHY...WHY is it that MOST could not BELIEVE.

As to the white robed ones or the ones standing by, yes...interesting indeed. These would seem to me to be angelic messengers, meaning they could be mankind who have died and been returned, they could be holy angelic beings..One or the other. I'd say generally they were holy angelic attenders of Christ.

As to the construct of their 'garments' I believe it is quite possible to be clothed in the 'righteousness' of Christ and that garment not be perceived by eyes of flesh. Those messengers may have had some type of visible raiment, but those same could have been arrayed in SPIRITUAL LIGHT as well. One seen. The other sometimes seen, as in the transfigurationS of Christ, on the water, with the disciples/Moses/Elijah, etc.

Something needing understanding is that THE LAW invoked LAWLESSNESS that was IN the people of Israel. I would not be too harsh on THOSE men that you see with your eyes and wanting to find your understandings of these matters upon men you can see with your eyes. One must look DEEPER into these subjects to see what is really going on and THAT WORKING will not be viewed with EYES OF FLESH...

and

The same working that THE WORD worked on the 'judeans' or the 'scribes' or the 'pharisees' does WORK IN US ALL TO THIS DAY whosoever picks up GOD'S WORDS, particularly those WORDS of THE LAW.

When Abraham chided the 'rich man' about the LAW and the PROPHETS being without HEED, he was SPOT ON. The 'rich man' and his brothers will NEVER listen to the LAW as the LAW was purposefully intended to AROUSE and PROVOKE them into RESISTANCE and REVEALING and that revealing is LAWLESSNESS in mankind, which same is OF THE DEVIL.

The same LAW AND PROPHETS of Israel will INVOKE these same 'rich men' today and these 'rich men' will NOT be seen with fleshly eyes.

enjoy!

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