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Originally Posted by Intrepid99
It is important to understand what orgasm means, it is pleasure you receive in having sex. Why the heck does pleasure needs to be while reproducing?
Pleasure is a good incentive to reproduce. If you don't enjoy reproducing, you are less likely to be willing to invest the time and energy to reproduce (ESPECIALLY for a female, because females always invest VASTLY more time and energy reproducing than males). Orgasm ensures a species' survival.
Originally Posted by Intrepid99
Didnt asexual reproduction take place accoring to evolution? Thats called reproducing too and it reproduces far more offsprings than sexual reproduction.
Asexual reproduction is "crude" reproduction, that is, it produces lots and lots of genetically identical offspring, which is good for exploiting short-lasting resources, like Aphids.
But asexual reproduction exposes the organism to environmental changes because of its low genetic variation. For example, if a disease hits a population, that population would be eradicated because there is no individuals with the right genetic variation to cope with the environmental change.
Sexual reproduction solves this problem, by encouraging genetic variation amongst the offpring population via various processes leading up to fertilization, which tranfer the genetic material of two different individuals and mix them together in the offpring. Heck, sexual reproduction is so effective that even bacteria (which normally reproduces asexually) has a similar process of gene tranfer.
This, for example, would allow one bacterium cell to tranfer its antibiotic resistance to another, increase the population's chance of survival.
Originally Posted by Intrepid99
That means organisms on this planet have the power over they anatomy and mutate accordingly to their needs. Then why cant we mutate so that our cells dont get older? Why cant we mutate so that we may never die?
Wrong. Desire is irrelevant. It is natural selection that decides which trait is an evolutionary advantage and which is not. Natural selection dictates that if you don't reproduce, you die. If you don't adapt, you die. Organisms that evolved sexual reproduction survived natural selection because it answer both evolutionary challenges.
Pleasure is a good incentive to reproduce. If you don't enjoy reproducing, you are less likely to be willing to invest the time and energy to reproduce (ESPECIALLY for a female, because females always invest VASTLY more time and energy reproducing than males). Orgasm ensures a species' survival.
Sexual pleasure appart from procreation would also help keep the male around thus ensuring the greater liklihood of his/her offspring making it to maturity so they could reproduce, etc.
You need food inorder to survive that is backed up by the fact that energy needs to be supplied in order to live. But, whats the need for sexual reproduction when organisms were reproducing asexually? What is the need for orgasm in sexual reproduction? How did that pleasure evolve where every man and women on this planet would yearn for?
read what I said please. Those organisms that have sex more create a differential reproductive advantage in their favour, hence the genes that code for the things that they do take hold and spread throughout the population. this is absolutely elementary evolutionary theory and I already explained it.
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This should be glaringly obvious. Incentive to reproduce. I'd say the orgasm came before the desire for one (what does that even mean; "desire for orgasm"? ), just as the egg did in fact come before the chicken.
remember that we already have a justification for the evolution of pleasure, through food or other external events. all orgasm is is a massive firing off of the pleasure centre (or it may have been at first, and then developed into something even more pleasurable). "desire for pleasure" was there first for other reasons, then the organism which came along which was "pleasurable" hence was automatically desired.
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indeed. It was explained about four or five times I think, and his "rebuttals" ignored most of the salient points which crushed his argument. I can almost hear the door slamming antics of morton's demon.
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I think these two have demonstrated good creationist mentality. If you don't like it, ignore it and pretend it doesn't exist, I mean, if its good enough for AiG then it must be good enough for them.
Now, if god really exists, I wonder what he thinks of this dishonest attitude?
As many people have explained to you. Why you claim the evolutionists are "running around in circles" when you seem to be the one with your fingers in your ears yelling “la la la I’m not listening” I do not know.
Let me try and explain it again;
Sexual orgasm evolved first. Actually it is not true to claim the desire for it evolved at all in any strict biological sense. Desire is a psychological state of seeking pleasurable stimuli. Orgasm is a pleasurable stimuli by its very nature (Unless of course you suffer from the condition of blanophobia, in which case the male orgasm is an intensely unpleasant experience). The pleasure stimuli of orgasm no more evolved separately from orgasm itself than did the pleasure stimuli connected with eating, that is a fallacy demonstrating a lack of understanding of both biology and psychology.
I have no doubt you will ignore the explanation or falsely represent it, but then it is more for the benefit of other readers than some one who has already made up his mind and has no intention of looking at alternative views to his own.
), just as the egg did in fact come before the chicken.
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