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Is it just more or does this sound like the fallacy that animals can control evolution?
Ok, I haven't read through much of the thread but has anyone mentioned that pleasure from sex is only experienced by a few animals. All of these animals seem to be more intelligent, and thus it is possible that as an animal became intelligent enough to ignore its instincts, the ones that thought it was fun reproduced more (since there was a lack of birth control).
It seems like a pretty obvious answer to me, since evolution is based on who can have the most offspring, the more the incentive to have more sex, the more likely the mutation that gives that incentive will be passed on.
But i'm waiting to hear, "the big bang didn't have pleasure, so how did it evolve."
Well said.
Instinct, genetically coded, is the driving force in the animal kingdom. Eating habits, sex drive, migratory patterns, nesting, hunting, predator evasion, habitats and the like, are all the result of instinct. Desire for sex, beyond the instinctual level, is limited to animals of higher intelligence.
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Instinct, genetically coded, is the driving force in the animal kingdom. Eating habits, sex drive, migratory patterns, nesting, hunting, predator evasion, habitats and the like, are all the result of instinct. Desire for sex, beyond the instinctual level, is limited to animals of higher intelligence.
I agree with you, but you got to remember that God is the tailor of such instincts that are exibited in the organisms.
"Which evolved first, sexual orgasm, or the desire for sexual orgasm?"
(Let's watch the evoutionists run round and round and round
and round and ....)
orgasm. you can't desire what you have no idea about. plus, orgasm is just the method of reproduction. other animals do not experience orgasm like we (humans) do. quick, look at my evasion...
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I agree with you, but you got to remember that God is the tailor of such instincts that are exibited in the organisms.
And, I agree with this.
Where you and I may differ is in the how's/mechanics of His creation.
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orgasm. you can't desire what you have no idea about. plus, orgasm is just the method of reproduction. other animals do not experience orgasm like we (humans) do. quick, look at my evasion...
Thats true that you cant desire of what you have no idea about. But, why do you think people yearn for sex? Their body desires it. Why do you think people mastrubate and reach orgasm? Because they desire it.
And orgasm is a byproduct of their desire. How can a byproduct come before desire which you said is not possible to have before you knew it? According to your theory then, there would be no start for an orgasm. Yet, you see orgasm and desire for orgasm in this world.
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Originally Posted by Intrepid99
Thats true that you cant desire of what you have no idea about. But, why do you think people yearn for sex? Their body desires it. Why do you think people mastrubate and reach orgasm? Because they desire it.
And orgasm is a byproduct of their desire. How can a byproduct come before desire which you said is not possible to have before you knew it? According to your theory then, there would be no start for an orgasm. Yet, you see orgasm and desire for orgasm in this world.
Desire is irrelevant. Orgasm presents an evolutionary advantage, which is why orgasm evolved. It's as simple as this: if you don't reproduce, your species die out. So what better incentive is there to start reproducing than orgasm?
Orgasm came first. Desire for orgasm came a result of orgasm having evolved.
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What is your problem? I gave u an answer earlier, as did many others, yet u still sit here and type irrelevant nonsense as if nothing happened. Why is it u ask for answers, then, when they r given and u don't like them, u simply ignore us?
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So far there has been no answer. And neither can there be.
You've been given answers on several occasions. Stop trolling.
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We have watched the evolutionist camp run round and round.. as predicted.
Are u sure that isn't u, busy chasing after your tail? Gotten dizzy and mixed up the evolutionists with yourself, have u?
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Now let's watch how hard their hearts become when they lose the fight on their supposed preferred turf: logic. Let's see whether it is really logic that they hold to, or whether it might be something more spiritually oriented, deep within.
Well, I was in a bad mood, but that last paragraph really cheered me up.
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But I give you one more chance right here and now. Ready, setty, go..! (I'm all ears.)
Alright, how about this (And try actually reading the post this time):
Orgasm evolved as an incentive for reproducing. The orgasm itself must have come first, as evolution does not happen simply because one desires a change to occur. That thought is, at the least, preposterous.
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Did it?
Yes, it did. Anyone who knows that desire for something which does not exist yet is not only a conundrum, but that evolution does not work on individualistic desires, comes to the conclusion the orgasm must have come first.
So why don't u stop with the "Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil" routine and address people's responses to your OP.
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Thats true that you cant desire of what you have no idea about. But, why do you think people yearn for sex? Their body desires it. Why do you think people mastrubate and reach orgasm? Because they desire it.
And orgasm is a byproduct of their desire. How can a byproduct come before desire which you said is not possible to have before you knew it? According to your theory then, there would be no start for an orgasm. Yet, you see orgasm and desire for orgasm in this world.
did you miss the part where i said orgasm was just for reproduction and that other "lower" animals orgasm but do not have desire? orgasm is a bybroduct of sensory input, not desire. I see why you attempt to make fun of logic- you lack it...
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Desire is irrelevant. Orgasm presents an evolutionary advantage, which is why orgasm evolved. It's as simple as this: if you don't reproduce, your species die out. So what better incentive is there to start reproducing than orgasm?
Orgasm came first. Desire for orgasm came a result of orgasm having evolved.
It is important to understand what orgasm means, it is pleasure you receive in having sex. Why the heck does pleasure needs to be while reproducing?
So what better incentive is there to start reproducing than orgasm?
Didnt asexual reproduction take place accoring to evolution? Thats called reproducing too and it reproduces far more offsprings than sexual reproduction.
Orgasm presents an evolutionary advantage, which is why orgasm evolved.
That means organisms on this planet have the power over they anatomy and mutate accordingly to their needs. Then why cant we mutate so that our cells dont get older? Why cant we mutate so that we may never die?
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